About Archers (Firing arcs and angles)

[Alexandre Lange]

Hey, guys!

Man... DeI is amazing! I spent some time out, and now I found DeI even better then I left it.

To the point now: archers. I saw that german archers have a 360º arc of fire (they can fire at all directions within their range), and that the fire angle is huge (they fire to the skies, and arrows fall over targets' heads). While it is pretty nice and accurate, I have noticed that it drives to some weird events on the battlefield: archers pointing their bow in one direction and firing to the oposite side (arrows get out from their back), slow motion arrows fired to the skies when target is in front of the archer, etc. Slingers, at other hand, fire almost in a direct line to their targets, even if the ranges are similar, with better visual results.

So... I would like to try some tweaks at archer firing arcs and angles, and maybe suggest something to fix that issues, but I can't remember what tables deal with it. Could you guys refresh my memory?

Thanks!

[Butan]

Archers should fire straight if they have a correct angle, which is different than slingers and javelinmen.

Maybe the animation bug for the 360° ability when firing behind while immobile. I guess it could be fixed. Reminds me of Medieval 2 slow strafing archers firing animation

[Cavalier]

Here's a submod that reduces the arching of arrows(meaning they are similar to vanilla)

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...avelin-arching

[Ganossa]

For me (who loves factions with strong archers) one of the best and most convincing feature about DeI is the increased arc for achers! Please do not change that.

[Anonter]

Archers in this game just seem broken and unrealistic anyway, they just seem to home on in troops instead of the kinda scatter fire we got in medieval 2 makes me sad :/

[Butan]

Archers in this game just seem broken and unrealistic anyway, they just seem to home on in troops instead of the kinda scatter fire we got in medieval 2 makes me sad :/

Not sure how far the scattering can be modded, but I agree that it always looks very accurate and could do with more miss.
Javelins had been nerfed to the ground a few months ago and couldnt hit (but were very OP damage wise then), maybe we could do something like that with arrows, but less radical.

[FlashHeart07]

So far archers are more usefull than they were at the beginning where they had to have a clear line fire.

[M@x1mus]

So far archers are more usefull than they were at the beginning where they had to have a clear line fire.

+1

[Hoplitus]

So far archers are more usefull than they were at the beginning where they had to have a clear line fire.

So true!
And if I remember correctly it was the point to differntiate the various types of skirmishers.

[Krasnaïa Zvezda]

So far archers are more usefull than they were at the beginning where they had to have a clear line fire.

And with the sub mod you made (volley fire for all ranged units), they are now even more useful.

[FlashHeart07]

And with the sub mod you made (volley fire for all ranged units), they are now even more useful.

Thanks m8

['Gunny]

Just an FYI I majorly changes arcs and angles in 1.0. Arcs are no longer super high into the air, and they no longer have a 360 degree arc.

[craziii]

Just an FYI I majorly changes arcs and angles in 1.0. Arcs are no longer super high into the air, and they no longer have a 360 degree arc.

why the change? especially the 360 firing cone change? I like how archers are different compare to slingers(very flat trajectory)

[Alexandre Lange]

Gunny!

Sometimes a God walks among mortals...

Glad to know about the changes @ DeI 1.0. Thanks.

['Gunny]

Because it used artillery arcs, which was really messy. Overall it was just messy because the projectiles weren't meant to fire like that.

[craziii]

Because it used artillery arcs, which was really messy. Overall it was just messy because the projectiles weren't meant to fire like that.

well, so long as archers are not going to end up like slingers, I am cool. I can change the 360 degree circle my self if need be. change away!

[Fedual]

Here is anohter fun fact about archers in Rome II

Even if archers fire their arrows in an arc they are unable to aim their bows upwards to match the angle at wich the arrows fly away in... Even medieval 2 and shogun 2 had this function but aparently it was scrapped for rome 2. So archers in rome 2 will allways aim forwards in a horizontal angle even tho the arrow itself goes straight up into the air. About a year ago i recieved a reply from CA about this and the answer was that the engine does not allow them to fix this easily because it is simply to much trouble to do it.

[craziii]

Here is anohter fun fact about archers in Rome II

Even if archers fire their arrows in an arc they are unable to aim their bows upwards to match the angle at wich the arrows fly away in... Even medieval 2 and shogun 2 had this function but aparently it was scrapped for rome 2. So archers in rome 2 will allways aim forwards in a horizontal angle even tho the arrow itself goes straight up into the air. About a year ago i recieved a reply from CA about this and the answer was that the engine does not allow them to fix this easily because it is simply to much trouble to do it.

the funny part, you mentioned this was done perfectly in shogun 2, same engine too. CA has a really, really hard time on retaining the good stuff with every iteration of their games. I still think rome 1's arrow system was great. did almost no dmg from the front, deals more dmg from flanks, battle ending dmg from the backs.

change is good, but ca has the habit of throwing the baby out with the bathwater.