Hoplons are bigger!

[Kraut and Tea]

I spent a view minutes looking at these screenshots with some confusion but I think I can confirm that a new hoplon model has been added that is larger than the one we are used to.

This is a screenshot of what they are like now:




All the same generic model with different textures.


Now take a close look at the hoplons in this screenshot. Specificaly the first row of the hoplite unit:




You will notice that besides the generic hoplon model, there is a new significantly bigger one!

I really like this! many have pointed out that the regular hoplon was to small!

[PointOfViewGun]

Told ya.

[Sheridan]

Same short spears though. But it's great to see this detail addressed at least

[Mr.X]

Wouldn't go as far as calling it a " significantly bigger" shield but it is a welcome improvement I really like the new campaign, too bad we had to wait so long for it.

Ohh and BTW is it just me or screenshots CA publishes look so much graphically superior to the actual game?

[Sir_Pee_Alot]

Ohh and BTW is it just me or screenshots CA publishes look so much graphically superior to the actual game?

Thats because they photoshop it.

And because they photoshop the screenshots they could have made it bigger while it is ingame just the same size. I hope they did add it but whats the point if the hoplites are bugged

[Lionheart11]

Who cares when it DLC, does CA expect us to pay for fixing things now.

[daelin4]

Who cares when it DLC, does CA expect us to pay for fixing things now.

Considering all the DLCs, the answer is Yes.

[RGA]

And we already see spear clipping through the shield , which is exactly why they decided to make the aspis smaller than it was.

[Kraut and Tea]

And we already see spear clipping through the shield , which is exactly why they decided to make the aspis smaller than it was.

Actualy that is a javelin sticking in a shield

[Sheridan]

And we already see spear clipping through the shield , which is exactly why they decided to make the aspis smaller than it was.

The width is greater, it's not exactly thicker. There is no clipping caused by its width in the screenshot, there is by the spacing however since the ranks behind are too close to the first one.

[prithupaul]

Does not look anything significant or worth celebrating to me. Also the varying sizes are due the varying scales of the whole unit model I suspect, not randomly sized shields.

Also... have people not seen enough to NOT trust these CA's pre-release "gameplay" images?

Still, if they have indeed made this change, it is a welcome one.

[Demetrios of Messene]

I wouldn't be able to spot the difference just by looking at the pictures (without reading the OP). In order for CA to introduce proper hoplon they would need matching new animations, which I don't find likely to happen.

For me their excuse about clipping issues is not convincing and my assumption is that the main reason for making hoplon just a big round shield is memory limitations and different priorities (decapitating animations probably seem more appealing to the crowds than correctly modelling certain soldier types etc.)

[ToonTotalWar]

Cinematic screenshots/video is one thing! seeing that larger hoplon in game is another!! lets just wait and see what happens after the DLC is released.

In my opinion we will see nothing of the larger Hoplon in game. Apparantly its easy to make a larger shield in 3DS max if some modders were up for doing this!

[Lionheart11]

I can see the clipping, easy when enlarged.

[Sheridan]

I can see the clipping, easy when enlarged.

Don't confuse the lack of proper spear animations with clipping. As far as I can tell, no spears are actually clipping through any shields in the picture. The thing sticking out in the center of the picture might as well be a javelin, you know. The real issue here lies with how the troops are arranged, the ranks are too close one another (hence arms will clip through shields). It has nothing to do with the width of the shield.

[Linke]

No thats not his spear clipping

[Karnil Vark Khaitan]

wth? there are no clipping, AND I KNOW MY CLIPPING!!! for each unit I have made there are aleast 1 clipping...

[Tenerife_Boy]

Sure there will be bigger shields but with no proper animation of holding it and no proper phalanx formation...the work is...33% done. so I'm 33% happy with hoplites, meh...a pity.

[Sint]

But in the center ,the guy with the yellow shield(Dolphin ) next to the one with the red one, you can see clipping...

[Tenerife_Boy]

Clipping would be avoidable with the upper hand animation...