I have no words for this Attila stuff, only good thing I can see from a early release is that modders will have access to it earlier so that they can try and fix the mess CA gives us. BUT, I bet my life on that CA still will not be able to give is a AI that actually thinks..
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Good going CA, you really must be proud of your hard work.....
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Personally CA and Sega really need to fire there Marketing and PR development team
Seriously did CA really learn there lesson with Rome 2? A freaking Day "1" DLC on Attilla!!
A freaking Viking DLC
Campaign gameplay looks amazing like adding scorched earth tactics but w/ 40 dollar/ euro is too much. Personally it will be totally cool the owners of Rome 2 get 50% discount of this expansion. Seriously just look at Metro franchise and especially Witcher franchise. Witcher franchise are giving away free DLC content just to improve their games.
I personally think it is a hint CA gives us this time that the release will be exactly the same (without having to tell us directly). Its like a warning and reminds us what happened before and for that I am thankful. They cannot do much else for the community with SEGA watching.
On the pre-order DLC, I am a little worried seeing that they includ almost 1:1 copies of Rome 2 units (see 1:16), I really wished they would have made it a R2 DLC as it should be. It would have been the smartest choice: no pre-order DLC, more polish of R2 and no one would have had any doubt about it.
First of, as a long time TW player (thank god for modders that know what the people want in the TW serie) I need to speak my own personal mind on this....I dont care if most of your dont share my opinion on this matter.
The ONLY way we can make CA/SEGA suffer for they huge disappointing games and lack of commitment into the TW serie is simply to STOP BUYING THEIR GAMES! yet alone, STOP PRE-ORDER THEIR GAMES! Problem is that many mainsteam people see it as a good thing that company's release their games as early as possible so that they can play it ASAP even if it means having months with terrible performance, crappy gameplay and horrible bugs (seriously, I don't see were you find joy in that) but I'm not one of those that accept having to BETA test a game for months after I have PAID for a game that didn't say anything about the game being in BETA. Take DayZ as an example, such a crappy game when it comes to performance and bugs but still, they are honest and say that the game is in Pre-Alpha mode. SEGA only cares about money (of course, they need to make money) but don't really stand out as a community friendly company with the players best interest in mind. They wanna squeeze max profit out of the game, and by telling its a BETA game (which it is) they know many are gonna hesitate in buying the game on the release day/week/month. They simply wanna rush the game out as soon as possible and as simple as possible and thinks it okey to fix the game along the way, even by releasing several DLC's with content we have been complaining that the main game is missing, and even charge for it!
Pull your act together CA/SEGA and at least try and fix the game internally before you give it over to us. And please, stop making the game as simple as possible.....give it some love and passion! But hey, thats never gonna happen because they saw that Rome 2 sold gold before it even was released so they are gonna try it again with Attila. I bet we are gonna see headline like "Attila breaks the Rome 2 preorder sale number" and just to squeeze out the remaining people that are not sure if they wanna pre-order yet another crappy game from CA, the head of the AI division for Attila goes out in a interview telling that the AI is the MAIN focus in this game...that they AI bugdet is 60% higher then what they used on Rome 2 (which was 30% higher).
If CA/SEGA were truly honest and cared about the people actually playing the game, they would call their game BETA instead of hiding their flaws. 3rd of September 2013 is still one of the worse date ever within PC games for me...and I guess I can speak for everyone.....the game was not nearly finished! It took CA 1 year to "fix" Rome 2 and still, the biggest issue with their game/games is still a stupid and dumb AI that really takes away EVERY joy from this game.
If I worked at CA and had to talk to the community like Will and Joey do, I would truly embarrassed to be related to this game.
The only bright side about the TW series is the modders and Im forever thankful that there are people out there that really cares about this game and know how to make the necessary steps FOR FREE in order to turn the TW games towards something good instead of the patch CA them self leads the game to. If only CA shows a fraction of commitment as the DeI team (not just them, but just taking them as an example) is doing, I bet the core game actually would be good..
Last edited by SandraDevilGirl; November 25, 2014 at 11:13 AM.
Good going CA, you really must be proud of your hard work.....
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Personally I'm going to wait and see how Attila pans out, Sorry CA no pre order for me. And in the mean time I'm playing a little game call, How many DLC can you squeezes out of Attila, try it, It's a hold bunch of fun.
I gonna second that, although I have to admit they improved Rome 2 total war it didn't live up to the hype they made around it, on top of that we got a lot of bugs and crappy design choices which they somehow addressed as they went but personally for me its not worth the frustration, a game should be fun but because of the many issues it had, it largely sucked the fun out of the tittle. I still have the game installed but I just cant suppress the feeling to play the game without the mere though how frustrating the game was "and that is kinda what they left behind with their mess".
Did they polished the game? yeah they did most likely that but the question is does one person feel the urge to play a game which gave you in the first place a huge amount of frustration, I am that kind of person that keeps trying until they are really fed up and I am kinda fed up with crappy game developers these days. Personally they should make warranty laws against such company's and as long that this doesn't happen they will keep feeding you with frustration. If I wanted to be a beta tester I will have chosen to do so on my own terms but it was forced upon me. When I fully pay for a game Ill expect a finished product and that was surely not the case for Rome 2
As for Attila Total War:
I wont make the same mistake of purchasing the next installment in pre order again from CA nor Sega.
It kinda saddens me to see that they seem to have made the same kind of marketing decision to implement a free dlc on top of a pre order I wonder if they also going to hype this game like they did with R2 and if they are also going to cloud the public's mind about things, like better siege battles and several other kind of game improvements, it doesn't sound like really hearth warming and comforting to those that still have a sour taste over R2 to trow DLC just to make the costumer to buy their product yet again. Personally yet unlikely that this will happen, they would better produce the game and first polish it, invite an exclusive alpha and beta testing group and even offer it for free to play for about 4 to 5 days on steam to the large crowd, let you costumers test it first and when you deliver then we will pay the full price.
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Best of regards
No preorder for me too
I didn´t even buy rome2 at this moment. maybe i scip rome2 completly as i did with empire and napoleon and shoghun2. jumped in for small test with modern day shoghun fall of the samurai addon, but i rarely play this game. to me modern tw lost it´s spirit.
btw, I really hate DLC and this stupid promovideos where computer animated characters shout and yell there nonsence monologue´s ... can´t you make proper marketing?
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I want to pre-order...I seriously want to, but I don't trust you anymore CA. I gave you a second chance after empire and was impressed with Shogun and then you blew it. I'll still probably buy the game eventually, but no pre-orders ever again.
I'm kinda meh about this 'freeLC' because I'm buying the game anyway, so I might as well preorder. But that is still cut content at launch because the game ain't even out and you sell content separetly. Why not include those factions in the core game for every players then?
As for the blood missing in the video, I frankly hope you won't charge those who already own blood and gore on Rome II because that makes no sense. You said you cut and sold the gore stuff separetly to get along with the age limitations, not to make extra money. So yeah, I would like more informations about that.
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As i pointed out in the Viking Forefathers DLC thread, the Jutes are not Danes, Vikings or even Norse at all. They are Ingaevones like the Angles and Saxons. It is a different branch of the german peoples. The descendants of the Norse include the Danes, Swede, and Norwegians. The descendants of the Ingaevones include the English and Frissians. We have to stop automatically connecting historical people with what nation modern borders would place them in. Sure some of the Jutes who didn't go to Britain were absorbed by the Norse who became the Danes, but that doesn't make the independent Jutes from earlier in history Danes. Just like you wouldn't call the Britons of Caesars time Anglo-Saxons or English just because they were absorbed by the Angles, Saxons, and Jutes in the process of the ethnogenesis of the English people.
If the celts absorbed the Germans you would be speaking a Celtic language now. It doesn't matter how many of each ethnic group there were, the culture and language were more Anglo-Saxon than Celtic. Old Saxon and Old English were even more obviously German. Many of the Celts were killed by the Germanic tribes, so the difference in population isn't what you think it is anyways. That is why it became Angle land, Engla land and then England. I don't know why you insist so much on denying there Germanic heritage of the English. That doesn't mean you are of the modern German race, it just means you understand the history of England. And as i pointed out before the Britons of what would become England had already been conquered and assimilated by Romans, so they were already Romano-Britons. Celtic identify held out longer in what would become Wales and Scotland, but they were eventually largely Anglicized as well. Then Olde Englishe then under went partial Francization to give us modern English. The language with speak is largely Romance because of the effects of French and Latin. There is still a large chunk of Germanic words left as well, but there is little Celtic. There is more influence from Native Americans on the English language than Celts.
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I don't disagree - but don't mix ethnogenesis (genetics) with cultural/linguistic hegemony and assimilation - they are two very different things.
FYI I'm not even English.
EDIT: The idea that modern Brits are descended from the Germanic invaders, though commonly held, has been pretty much debunked by genetic evidence. The modern English, Irish, Welsh and Scottish are genetically very similar, almost to the point of being identical.
Then notion of the Angles, Saxons and Jutes (Germanic Forefathers pack lololol) immigrating to Britain in vast numbers and displacing/genociding the native Celts is a bit of a myth. The real truth, which is slowly coming to light, seems to be a cultural and military subjugation, very similar to the Roman conquest of Britain. And so you have the English language - which is mainly German with a sprinkling of old Celtic. The Germanic invasion contributed less than 5% of modern English DNA.
Furthermore - the ancient peoples of Germany, Scandinavia, Spain, France and the British Isles are extremely similar anyway, cousins if you will.
I'm not trying to be awkward, and I understand it's still a contentious debate but I just done a module on this last year and find it pretty interesting.
I still can't see the Brits being FLC though, despite them probably being more relevant than the Iceni in Rome 2.
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