Hellenistic succession? Name change?

[Antiokhos Euergetes]

Posted at the Org, but perhaps I might get somebody who knows here instead.
Is possible to automatically, or manually, change the name of the Seleukid, Ptolemaic, Attalid etc, ruler upon his succession to the throne? Little things like this bother me, I would my Basileos to be Antiokhos the IV or Seleukhos VII, The Ptolemies should all be with a few exceptions all be called Ptolemy. Just another little thing I would like for immersion.
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[Ἀπολλόδοτος Α΄ ὁ Σωτήρ]

Unfortunately I think thats impossible. First, if I'm not mistaken you can give a character a regnal number, ie. Antiokhos I at the start of the campaign, but the succesor who is also named Antiokhos and not present from the start of the game will not gain the second (II) epithet, if I remember correctly Med2 engine doesn't keep track of characters who have the same name by adding an appropriate number to their name.
Second, I don't think names can be changed during the game by the script, characters can only gain a nickname ie. Antiokhos Soter, but I'm not sure that the script can be used to keep track of characters who have the same names for adding appropriate numbers.

[Darkan]

I'm not sure that the script can be used to keep track of characters who have the same names for adding appropriate numbers.

Maybe a separate script might work? I know it's unlikely, but perhaps someone with more modding experience can say more about the issue.

[Antiokhos Euergetes]

Sorry weird double posting !!

[Antiokhos Euergetes]

I thought it was a big ask, but I saw how city names change depending on faction (completely different I know) but it made me think what if when you choose your heir, the whole line become eg Seleukos or Antiokhos, but as you point out keeping track of I -XII might be an issue to say the least!
Ptolemy should be easier their all the same!

[Abdülmecid I]

IIRC you can can do that manually, by modding some texts, but the solution is far from perfect. Let's say that you play as the Seleucids and a family member named Aristomenes becomes your faction leader. You can go to desc. names and find the part where it says something like "Aristomenes Aristomenes". The first Aristomenes is the data and the second is the visual result, so if you replace the second Aristomenes with the name you want (e.g. Seleucus II), you'll have a Seleucus as your king. However, that means that every other Aristomenes, even captains or admirals, will also be named as Seleucus II. You can change it back when Aristomenes/Seleucus II dies, but still it's far from perfect...

[Antiokhos Euergetes]

Interesting idea though in theory, if the family line all had a unique set of names from all others then that admiral captain clash thing couldn't happen?

[Abdülmecid I]

That'd be great, but I dont think it's possible. At least I don't know how to do it, but I know almost nothing about modding, anyway.

[tobymoby]

How about something with the titles? Like when they become the faction leader, they get "Basileus Antiochos" of "Seleukos"? I have a similar idea in mind for the Parthians.

[Dago Red]

How about something with the titles? Like when they become the faction leader, they get "Basileus Antiochos" of "Seleukos"? I have a similar idea in mind for the Parthians.

This is the most plausible way, I think. Other mods have done many creative things with titles and/or ancillaries. Take a look at Broken Crescent's royal title feature, or the Governor's title feature for more ideas. I can't recall if there's a more visible name change, but for example, with the governor's feature a general character who assumes gubernatorial duties for a specific city gets an new ancillary at the beginning of the following turn that says "Count of Edessa" or "Amir of Antioch" or what-have-you, and it details the character's position of governor of that city along with his new traits.

Something like this could probably be expanded upon for new faction leaders, though the name change may only appear on his "character page" in the form of an ancillary.

[Ἀπολλόδοτος Α΄ ὁ Σωτήρ]

Maybe a separate script might work? I know it's unlikely, but perhaps someone with more modding experience can say more about the issue.

I'm not good with scripts, but I still think that can't be be done by scripting.

Interesting idea though in theory, if the family line all had a unique set of names from all others then that admiral captain clash thing couldn't happen?

That'd be great, but I dont think it's possible. At least I don't know how to do it, but I know almost nothing about modding, anyway.

Just like The_Hibernian said, it is not possible for a single faction to have two different sets of names, as far as I know.

IIRC you can can do that manually, by modding some texts, but the solution is far from perfect. Let's say that you play as the Seleucids and a family member named Aristomenes becomes your faction leader. You can go to desc. names and find the part where it says something like "Aristomenes Aristomenes". The first Aristomenes is the data and the second is the visual result, so if you replace the second Aristomenes with the name you want (e.g. Seleucus II), you'll have a Seleucus as your king. However, that means that every other Aristomenes, even captains or admirals, will also be named as Seleucus II. You can change it back when Aristomenes/Seleucus II dies, but still it's far from perfect...

That would be a very inelegant solution, you would have to change names during the campaign manually and there is also the possibility of having two or more characters with the same names. It would be more awkward to have, ie. five characters named Antiokhos II.

[Abdülmecid I]

That would be a very inelegant solution, you would have to change names during the campaign manually and there is also the possibility of having two or more characters with the same names. It would be more awkward to have, ie. five characters named Antiokhos II.

Yes, I agree, imagine if you receive a report that your cunning agent, Ptolemy VII the Fat was killed, while trying to sabotage the Parthian barracks! Theoritically, you can avoid such embarassing situations, personally, I rarely have two characters with the same name, althoigh it has happened. It also depends on how large the name pool is. Still, I can't think of any other solution to his problem...

[Antiokhos Euergetes]

Well that might be as close as it gets it could read "upon succession this character has taken the dynastic name of..." Seleukos IX or Attalos II, Ptolemy IV, Mithridates or Pharnaces for Pontos

[Antiokhos Euergetes]

Thank you all, been quite a lively discussion to my little enigma...my quest for immersive utopia goes on.

The only solution to @Buck's plan, that I can see, is if I went through every name in the files looking for doubles... But I do not relish that prospect! I have my University papers to write and my Research Forum to get underway

Edit: How are the offspring generated by the computer, is their a specific group for the family tree? A bank of names, for want of a better word, or are they simply chosen at random to be the progeny, from the existing names? In other words what if anything determines who becomes the child of the Basileos?

[Ἀπολλόδοτος Α΄ ὁ Σωτήρ]

Edit: How are the offspring generated by the computer, is their a specific group for the family tree? A bank of names, for want of a better word, or are they simply chosen at random to be the progeny, from the existing names? In other words what if anything determines who becomes the child of the Basileos?

As far as I know, its all random, but don't take my word for it.