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    Default Why are a lot of thureoporoi units 'naked' in appearance?

    In EB1, the thureoporoi units had leather armor and looked more professional in appearance. But EB2 thureoporoi units feel like levy units. A lot of them don't have any armor aside from helmet and a shield and that just feels weird. I know it doesn't affect the unit stats and everything, but I just wanted to know the reason majority of thureoporoi units no longer have leather armor. Are there historical reasons? Weren't thureoporoi units well trained and well supplied professional force?

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    Default Re: Why are a lot of thureoporoi units 'naked' in appearance?

    I'm pretty sure that historical accuracy is the reason for that. Most of the ancient units were not strictly uniformed and equiped by the state, they were citizen or tribal levies. Not every member was able to afford the best equipment. Their assignment to certain units is based upon their income, that is the equipment they can afford to have and the martial traditions of the regions they hail from, as a result they are unlike to be completely uniformly equipped, just similar enough to fulfill a certain role.

    Hellenistic states, and indeed most other states in antiquity had a small core of elite units that had standardised equipment and were always ready for war, but as far as I know Thureophoroi were not that kind of a unit.
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    Default Re: Why are a lot of thureoporoi units 'naked' in appearance?

    They didn't have leather armor they had a linothorax ,just (unboiled)leather is absolutly useless as armor
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    Default Re: Why are a lot of thureoporoi units 'naked' in appearance?

    A linothorax or a spolas (as it can be argued to no end what kind of armor it was in reality), or even a scalemail, or a chainmail (or, frankly, any variation of the tube and yoke body armor) should be rather for the thorakitai or the iphicratean hoplites. A "base" thureophoroi are perfectly ok with being mostly unarmored within the same unit, with only few of them having any armor.
    They are levies, after all...
    They're of the same social background as are the levy hoplites we have in the game.

    Thorakitai would be their better armored equivalent, as their name precisely refers to them having a body armor. But the thureophoros is a name indicating merely a someone armed with a thureos shield.
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    Default Re: Why are a lot of thureoporoi units 'naked' in appearance?

    My issue is the unit card is misleading. I enjoy the variety within the unit though the armor is really varied, with heavy, medium, light, and no armor at all seemingly all represented. I would have tightened up the variety just a little (you could easily get 2 units out of all that modeling and skinning, one varied standard thureophoroi and one heavier thureophoroi for some factions), but the thing that I would absolutely wish changed with it being as it is, is the unit card.

    The depiction is of an unarmored man, with a loose drape covering only one shoulder and a rudely exposed chest -- this is not characteristic of the average man within the unit.

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    Default Re: Why are a lot of thureoporoi units 'naked' in appearance?

    The depiction is of an unarmored man, with a loose drape covering only one shoulder and a rudely exposed chest -- this is not characteristic of the average man within the unit.
    Dago hit the spot. Now that I think of it, it's the unit card that makes them look like some kinda levy slingers. That just doesn't feel right. If they used a slightly more armored unit card for Thureoporoi, that would make it a lot easier to recognize them as medium spearmen instead of some stupid levy unit.

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    You realise most units in this period are "stupid levy units" right?

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    I wil change quite a few of the unit cards and unti info cards among other reasons is they being be more "representattive" for the units

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