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    I knew the writers of south park were idiots, but I have been giving them too much credit.
    When does Dawkins ever say evolution explains everything or proves that there is no god? Dawkins doesn't need to prove there is no god, the person asserting there is one has to. But of course this is too complicated for any of the dimwits that write south park..sigh..

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    Quote Originally Posted by over-man
    I knew the writers of south park were idiots, but I have been giving them too much credit.
    When does Dawkins ever say evolution explains everything or proves that there is no god? Dawkins doesn't need to prove there is no god, the person asserting there is one has to. But of course this is too complicated for any of the dimwits that write south park..sigh..
    Its a satirical position on the opposition he will face. What they do is the very essence of satire in fact.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seneca
    Its a satirical position on the opposition he will face. What they do is the very essence of satire in fact.

    EDIT: Must buy that book! Got rave reviews.

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    I worship Dawkins. I have a statue of him in my room. I will now proceed to protest this and e-mail Matt Stone death threats and proceed to burn and kill anyone who watches South Park.

    There is no God and Dawkins is his prophet, JIHAAAD!


    But seriously they did misrepresent how scientist really describe evolution. But the Matt and Trey make a really good point. If the whole world became atheist it would merely transform the motivations for religious violence into other more scientific ideologies and beliefs figthing amongst each other. I'm a big Dawkins fan but he is quite snobbish and arrogant about his atheism so is fair game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mirage41
    I worship Dawkins. I have a statue of him in my room. I will now proceed to protest this and e-mail Matt Stone death threats and proceed to burn and kill anyone who watches South Park.

    There is no God and Dawkins is his prophet, JIHAAAD!


    But seriously they did misrepresent how scientist really describe evolution. But the Matt and Trey make a really good point. If the whole world became atheist it would merely transform the motivations for religious violence into other more scientific ideologies and beliefs figthing amongst each other. I'm a big Dawkins fan but he is quite snobbish and arrogant about his atheism so is fair game.
    the point they should have made is that religion in itself is not bad, but elements of it which have historically lead to violence ( blind faith, absolute rule, etc), and that anything that asks for those things will lead to the same outcomes.

    I remember one of the things that I liked about south park, especially thier seasons of a couple years ago was that although it was silly, they had good logical arguments on which they based their episodes. Newer episodes don't seem to say anything, and when they do its not something particularly thought out, and to replace the light hearted jokes of the past they fill it with stuff like the sex scene between garrison and dawkins which was the single most disgusting thing I had seen on TV for a long time.

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    I knew the writers of south park were idiots, but I have been giving them too much credit.
    When does Dawkins ever say evolution explains everything or proves that there is no god? Dawkins doesn't need to prove there is no god, the person asserting there is one has to. But of course this is too complicated for any of the dimwits that write south park..sigh..
    He might not have said evolution clinched it, but if you've seen 'Root of all Evil', then it's actually quite a major part of his overall reasons for disbelief, or rather, the starting point for his criticism. As for south park, my 56k won't let me see it this century, but anyone in religion's got to take satire as an occupational hazard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mirage41
    But seriously they did misrepresent how scientist really describe evolution. But the Matt and Trey make a really good point. If the whole world became atheist it would merely transform the motivations for religious violence into other more scientific ideologies and beliefs figthing amongst each other. I'm a big Dawkins fan but he is quite snobbish and arrogant about his atheism so is fair game.
    It's comforting to know they still introduce semi-intelligent arguments into the episode plots.

    What really eludes me is how they'll save Cartman from this whole mess, short of a time machine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mirage41
    But seriously they did misrepresent how scientist really describe evolution. But the Matt and Trey make a really good point. If the whole world became atheist it would merely transform the motivations for religious violence into other more scientific ideologies and beliefs figthing amongst each other. I'm a big Dawkins fan but he is quite snobbish and arrogant about his atheism so is fair game.
    I don't know of any wars started or even motivated by science...Science never encourages it's followers to fight one another but to learn from one another, Dawkins would agree. And Dawkins treats religion as any scientist would treat a crack-pot assertion, scientists have never been kind to those that assert bigfoot or lochness monsters exist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by over-man
    I don't know of any wars started or even motivated by science...Science never encourages it's followers to fight one another but to learn from one another, Dawkins would agree. And Dawkins treats religion as any scientist would treat a crack-pot assertion, scientists have never been kind to those that assert bigfoot or lochness monsters exist.
    You know, science has motivated genocide before...
    The science of evolution caused a group of people, called Eugenists, to try to make a perfect humanity. Eugeniciscm caused the sterilization of millions world-wide, and the murder of over 12million people by Nazism...

    Edit: The wiki article:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics
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    Quote Originally Posted by over-man
    I knew the writers of south park were idiots, but I have been giving them too much credit.
    When does Dawkins ever say evolution explains everything or proves that there is no god? Dawkins doesn't need to prove there is no god, the person asserting there is one has to. But of course this is too complicated for any of the dimwits that write south park..sigh..
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    I can't stop laughing guys!

    EDIT: They really should work on Dawkins accent though, and have more 'Root of all Evil?' in-your-face Dawkins.
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    Quote Originally Posted by over-man
    I knew the writers of south park were idiots, but I have been giving them too much credit.
    When does Dawkins ever say evolution explains everything or proves that there is no god? Dawkins doesn't need to prove there is no god, the person asserting there is one has to. But of course this is too complicated for any of the dimwits that write south park..sigh..
    First time watching south park eh? South Park simply took Dawkins comments and went to the logical extreme of such comments all in satire as they do every topic

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    Quote Originally Posted by danzig
    First time watching south park eh? South Park simply took Dawkins comments and went to the logical extreme of such comments all in satire as they do every topic


    Misrepresenting someone is alittle different from taking their comments to a logical extreme.

    i'm sure you arent so critical of south park when it mocks religion are you?
    hypocrite.
    When it mocks religion, it is so far off from reality that no one takes it seriously. How ever, the way that Dawkins acted in that episode is what most people tend to think of atheists.
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    My stream died at 9 mins =<

    How did they mock Dawkins? Someone summarize.
    1) The creation of the world is the most marvelous achievement imaginable.
    2) The merit of an achievement is the product of (a) its intrinsic quality, and (b) the ability of its creator.
    3) The greater the disability (or handicap) of the creator, the more impressive the achievement.
    4) The most formidable handicap for a creator would be non-existence.
    5) Therefore if we suppose that the universe is the product of an existent creator we can conceive a greater being — namely, one who created everything while not existing.
    6) Therefore, God does not exist.


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    Quote Originally Posted by over-man
    I knew the writers of south park were idiots, but I have been giving them too much credit.
    When does Dawkins ever say evolution explains everything or proves that there is no god? Dawkins doesn't need to prove there is no god, the person asserting there is one has to. But of course this is too complicated for any of the dimwits that write south park..sigh..
    Dawkins is not particularly intelligent, and ironizing on him is not a crime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mirage41
    I worship Dawkins. I have a statue of him in my room. I will now proceed to protest this and e-mail Matt Stone death threats and proceed to burn and kill anyone who watches South Park.

    There is no God and Dawkins is his prophet, JIHAAAD!


    But seriously they did misrepresent how scientist really describe evolution. But the Matt and Trey make a really good point. If the whole world became atheist it would merely transform the motivations for religious violence into other more scientific ideologies and beliefs figthing amongst each other. I'm a big Dawkins fan but he is quite snobbish and arrogant about his atheism so is fair game.
    The problem with Dawkins is that:

    1) he writes horribly
    2) he writes boring books as well
    3) his theories are somewhat simplistic

    1-2 I can survive, 3 is a death blow to my opinion of any writer
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ummon
    The problem with Dawkins is that:
    1) he writes horribly
    2) he writes boring books as well
    3) his theories are somewhat simplistic
    Oh wow. Ummon Ummon. Now everything is coming together for me.

    1) Please actually read one of his books
    2) Please actually read one of his books
    3) Please actually read one of his books


    And please don't respond by telling me that you have actually read one of his books, I know you haven't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mirage41
    Oh wow. Ummon Ummon. Now everything is coming together for me.

    1) Please actually read one of his books
    2) Please actually read one of his books
    3) Please actually read one of his books


    And please don't respond by telling me that you have actually read one of his books, I know you haven't.
    I have read, for example, the Blind Watchmaker and The Selfish Gene (which was gifted to me by my ex-girfriend some 5 years ago, and infact my copy sports a really obscene writing on the first page as well, on what her genes planned to do with mine). Both really insignificant books, honestly.

    The problem mirage, is that most of the things you think you know, do not exist in reality. As your name rather aptly suggests.

    As a M.D. (as well) I have had a good education in Biology, among other things, and it was my hobby to study it when I was 10. Dawkins says mostly obvious things, and he exaggerates their importance. His books are boring to the point of being almost unreadable. The only one managing worse performances in the field is Renato Dulbecco, whose books are infact unreadable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ummon
    I have read, for example, the Blind Watchmaker and The Selfish Gene (which was gifted to me by my ex-girfriend some 5 years ago, and infact my copy sports a really obscene writing on the first page as well, on what her genes planned to do with mine). Both really insignificant books, honestly.

    The problem mirage, is that most of the things you think you know, do not exist in reality. As your name rather aptly suggests.

    As a M.D. (as well) I have had a good education in Biology, among other things, and it was my hobby to study it when I was 10. Dawkins says mostly obvious things, and he exaggerates their importance. His books are boring to the point of being almost unreadable. The only one managing worse performances in the field is Renato Dulbecco, whose books are infact unreadable.
    This one seems to have gotten good reviews from one or two sources, although they all say he is like a rabid dog on the topic.

    I am going to risk wasting my money on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by over-man
    I knew the writers of south park were idiots, but I have been giving them too much credit.
    When does Dawkins ever say evolution explains everything or proves that there is no god? Dawkins doesn't need to prove there is no god, the person asserting there is one has to. But of course this is too complicated for any of the dimwits that write south park..sigh..


    south park is one of the finest cartoons out there.
    you need to lighten up and take south park for what it is:entertainment.

    i'm sure you arent so critical of south park when it mocks religion are you?
    hypocrite.

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