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    COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. - Evangelist Ted Haggard admitted Friday that he bought methamphetamine and received a massage from a gay prostitute who claims he was paid for drug-fueled trysts by the outspoken gay marriage opponent.

    Haggard resigned Thursday as president of the National Association of Evangelicals and stepped down as leader of his Colorado megachurch while the two groups investigate the allegations.

    Talking to reporters outside his house Friday, Haggard denied the sex allegations but said that he did buy meth from the man because he was curious.

    "I bought it for myself but never used it," he said. "I was tempted, but I never used it."

    Haggard, a married father of five, said he never had sex with Mike Jones, a 49-year-old male prostitute who sparked the scandal when he told a radio station he had had a three-year sexual relationship with the minister. He said he did get a massage from Jones after being referred to him by a Denver hotel.

    Haggard resigned as president of the 30 million-member association Thursday and stepped down as the leader of the New Life Church pending investigations into Jones' claims.

    The executive committee of the National Association of Evangelicals, which claims 30 million members, planned a conference call Friday and said it would release a statement afterward.

    The acting pastor of Haggard's New Life Church, Ross Parsley, told congregants in an e-mail that the church's four-member board of overseers had met with Haggard on Thursday.

    "It is important for you to know that he confessed to the overseers that some of the accusations against him are true. He has willingly and humbly submitted to the authority of the board of overseers, and will remain on administrative leave during the course of the investigation," the e-mail stated.

    The scandal hit as voters in Colorado and seven other states are getting ready to decide Tuesday on amendments banning gay marriage. Besides the proposed ban on the Colorado ballot, a separate measure would establish the legality of domestic partnerships providing same-sex couples with many of the rights of married couples.

    Members of Haggard's 14,000-member megachurch were stunned.

    "It's political, right before the elections," said Brian Boals, a New Life member for 17 years.

    Church member E.J. Cox, 25, called the claims "ridiculous."

    "People are always saying stuff about Pastor Ted," she said. "You just sort of blow it off. He's just like anyone else in the public eye."

    Jones said he decided to go public because he was also upset when he discovered Haggard and the New Life Church had publicly opposed same-sex marriage.

    "It made me angry that here's someone preaching about gay marriage and going behind the scenes having gay sex," he said.

    "I just want people to step back and take a look and say, 'Look, we're all sinners, we all have faults, but if two people want to get married, just let them, and let them have a happy life,'" said Jones, who added that he isn't working for any political group.

    Jones claimed that Haggard, 50, paid him to have sex nearly every month over three years. He said he advertised himself as an escort on the Internet and was contacted by a man who called himself Art, who snorted methamphetamine before their sexual encounters to heighten his experience.

    Jones said he later saw the man on television identified as Haggard and that the two last had sex in August.

    He said he has voice mail messages from Haggard, as well as an envelope he said Haggard used to mail him cash. He declined to make the voice mails available to the AP, but KUSA-TV reported what it said were excerpts late Thursday that referred to methamphetamine.

    "Hi Mike, this is Art," one call began, according to the station. "Hey, I was just calling to see if we could get any more. Either $100 or $200 supply."

    A second message, left a few hours later, began: "Hi Mike, this is Art, I am here in Denver and sorry that I missed you. But as I said, if you want to go ahead and get the stuff, then that would be great. And I'll get it sometime next week or the week after or whenever."

    Haggard was appointed president of the evangelicals association in March 2003. He has participated in conservative Christian leaders' conference calls with White House staffers and lobbied members of Congress last year on U.S. Supreme Court appointees after Sandra Day O'Connor announced her retirement.

    After Massachusetts legalized gay marriage in 2004, Haggard and others began organizing state-by-state opposition. Last year, Haggard and officials from the nearby Christian ministry Focus on the Family announced plans to push Colorado's gay marriage ban for the 2006 ballot.

    At the time, Haggard said that he believed marriage is a union between a man and woman rooted in centuries of tradition, and that research shows it's the best family unit for children.
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    I knew it!! When I first saw Richard Dawkins interview, it couldn't be more apparent to me..
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkUi6dhwWx0
    Isn't it funny how Haggard repeatedly accuses Dawkins of being arrogant?
    This is(was) a very influential conservative christian with weekly connections to president Bush. (:hmmm
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    Ah more gay bashing from the left. It's kinda funny how the left is willing to ruin the lives of gay people while at the same time trying to say they are for gays. :hmmm:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Big War Bird
    Ah more gay bashing from the left. It's kinda funny how the left is willing to ruin the lives of gay people while at the same time trying to say they are for gays. :hmmm:
    It's called hypocrisy-bashing. There's a difference. But you made a very nice attempt at turning the issue and spinning the intent. I'd give you a C+ for effort, with marks off for lack of creativity.

    What this story does is, it reveals the innate hypocrisy of the American far-Right. But it is perhaps the case that Ted Haggard is not a hypocrit at all. Perhaps he really and truly believes that gay marriage is wrong, but that gay sex with a prostitute is okay.

    Take your pick. I like "B", better. And so does Ted Haggard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Big War Bird
    Ah more gay bashing from the left. It's kinda funny how the left is willing to ruin the lives of gay people while at the same time trying to say they are for gays. :hmmm:
    What? If Ted Haggard was the leader of the village people his life wouldn't have been ruined by this.
    It is relevant that he is leader of a conservative evangelical organization that views homosexuality as the moral equivalent of beastiality. Could this be why his life has been ruined?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big War Bird
    Ah more gay bashing from the left. It's kinda funny how the left is willing to ruin the lives of gay people while at the same time trying to say they are for gays. :hmmm:
    Ruin their lives? What the hell are you talking about?

    I do love seeing the hypocrisy of the evangelicals. One day, they might learn to understand human nature instead of sweeping it under a rug.

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    do you think he had sex with Bush?

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    Quote Originally Posted by harm
    do you think he had sex with Bush?


    That would be so awesome, however if such things happened, and is discovered, it will be hidden. And anyways, even if there is solid evidences of it, Bush will say it's not true and "prove" it by twisting some evidences and showing ridiculous alibis, then all his followers will believe him. Because they are good at doing that: they can make themselves believe in what they want to believe, even if it's totally out of reality!
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    Tell me who is celebrating this man's fall from grace? over-man for one. Who is happy that a gay/bi man is losing is job and reputation? Is the left was really for gay rights they would protecting outside of New Life demanding that Pastor Ted stay. If they were really for gay rights over-man's post would have been a reminder that being gay is not a lifestyle choice instead of a victory dance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Big War Bird
    Tell me who is celebrating this man's fall from grace? over-man for one. Who is happy that a gay/bi man is losing is job and reputation? Is the left was really for gay rights they would protecting outside of New Life demanding that Pastor Ted stay. If they were really for gay rights over-man's post would have been a reminder that being gay is not a lifestyle choice instead of a victory dance.
    If his job and reputation is built upon calling homosexuality a sin and an abomination, it is understandable that it would be lost when he himself is uncovered as gay. I'm in complete support of a world where someone can admit to being gay without ruining their life, but if a homosexual has built his life upon ruining the lives of other homosexuals, he is a hypocrite.

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    This is beyond hilarious! Its only a matter of time before every single conservative and evangelical pastor is caught seeking sodomite pleasures.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mirage41
    This is beyond hilarious! Its only a matter of time before every single conservative and evangelical pastor is caught seeking sodomite pleasures.
    He's not just a pastor.. he is the spiritual advisor to George W., and he has weekly phone conversations with the president every monday. If this doesn't fatally hurt the republicans, nothing can.

    Quote Originally Posted by Big War Bird
    I think you have unwittingly exposed some differences. I'm a proud right winger, and I mourn Haggard's failing. I have standards that cannot always be reached by all people. Indeed there are times that I cannot live up to them myself. Others, like yourself, are celebrating his failing. Why you are so pleased I'll leave you to figure out for yourself.
    Why do you mourn? If he still had his job, wouldn't he condemn himself and call for his own resignation? An ungodly homosexual could never lead our nation's evangelicals, I think all evangelicals would agree.
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    QUESTION FOR WARBIRD:

    Lets say I am a highly influential American socialist that goes around promoting economic equity, justice for the poor and more welfare. Now lets say that one day police discover that I have 40 vietnamese slave workers chained together in my basement making gucci bags and designer clothes for me to sell at high prices. Once this breaks into the news the conservative and capitalists all point at me and say "hypocrite!".
    Who deserves to be criticised: Me or the people accusing me of hypocrisy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by over-man
    If his job and reputation is built upon calling homosexuality a sin and an abomination, it is understandable that it would be lost when he himself is uncovered as gay. I'm in complete support of a world where someone can admit to being gay without ruining their life, but if a homosexual has built his life upon ruining the lives of other homosexuals, he is a hypocrite.
    I think you have unwittingly exposed some differences. I'm a proud right winger, and I mourn Haggard's failing. I have standards that cannot always be reached by all people. Indeed there are times that I cannot live up to them myself. Others, like yourself, are celebrating his failing. Why you are so pleased I'll leave you to figure out for yourself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Big War Bird
    Tell me who is celebrating this man's fall from grace?
    I am.

    Who is happy that a gay/bi man is losing is job and reputation?
    I am happy that an hypocrite of the highest level is losing his job and reputation, because he deserved it.

    Is the left was really for gay rights they would protecting outside of New Life demanding that Pastor Ted stay.
    What don't you understand in this: It's not for his sexual orientation, it's for his hyporcisy.

    If they were really for gay rights over-man's post would have been a reminder that being gay is not a lifestyle choice instead of a victory dance.
    Then the guy should have stopped being an hypocrite. I mean what's so complicated to understand in: It's not because he was gay, it's because he is an hypocrite.

    I think this is extremely funny by the way... let's say that this guy got owned very badly...
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    For gods sake

    why are so many of these christian ministers/priests/bishops/pastors turning about to be raging homosexuals!
    what on earth is going on here!
    they should practice what they preach! i dont trust any of them anymore,they are just a bunch of crooks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The DUKE
    For gods sake

    why are so many of these christian ministers/priests/bishops/pastors turning about to be raging homosexuals!
    what on earth is going on here!
    they should practice what they preach! i dont trust any of them anymore,they are just a bunch of crooks.
    There's a very simple answer for that:

    You are what you hate.
    Hypocrisy is the foundation of sin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Siblesz
    There's a very simple answer for that:

    You are what you hate.
    so white supremicists who hate blacks are secretly black people in disguise?

    are rush and ummon secretly muslims?

    was ronald reagan secretly a communist

    the world is turning upside down

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    Quote Originally Posted by The DUKE
    For gods sake

    why are so many of these christian ministers/priests/bishops/pastors turning about to be raging homosexuals!
    what on earth is going on here!
    they should practice what they preach! i dont trust any of them anymore,they are just a bunch of crooks.
    Such close-mindedness... Like most of the people on this thread. First of all, there a few (very few) priests and ministers who are idiots and do stupid things. But there are far more non-christians who are like that. Also, the guy who is accussing Haggard has no credibility. He is a prostitute (being gay makes no difference, atleast in my mind). The sole purpose he said revealed these things is that he wants to show the Christain right for being hypocritical, and he wants to influence the midterm elections, which is why he revealed this just before they happened. Noone can prove him wrong in that short a time. And when he took a lie detector test, it showed he was lieing when he said they had gay sex. Heh, atheists love to jump on this stuff...

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    Quote Originally Posted by DefenderofFreedom
    Such close-mindedness... Like most of the people on this thread. First of all, there a few (very few) priests and ministers who are idiots and do stupid things. But there are far more non-christians who are like that. Also, the guy who is accussing Haggard has no credibility. He is a prostitute (being gay makes no difference, atleast in my mind). The sole purpose he said revealed these things is that he wants to show the Christain right for being hypocritical, and he wants to influence the midterm elections, which is why he revealed this just before they happened. Noone can prove him wrong in that short a time. And when he took a lie detector test, it showed he was lieing when he said they had gay sex. Heh, atheists love to jump on this stuff...

    I will quote myself from an earlier post.

    Because they are good at doing that: they can make themselves believe in what they want to believe, even if it's totally out of reality!
    The guy has admitted going in an hotel room with a gay prostitute, bought crystal meth and received a massage from him. That's what he admitted, does it goes farther? Maybe it does, maybe not, but receiving a "massage" (no, it was not that his back hurt) and doing crystal meth alone in an hotel room with a prostitute isn't enough for you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fenris
    The guy has admitted going in an hotel room with a gay prostitute, bought crystal meth and received a massage from him. That's what he admitted, does it goes farther? Maybe it does, maybe not, but receiving a "massage" (no, it was not that his back hurt) and doing crystal meth alone in an hotel room with a prostitute isn't enough for you?
    No, there has to be blood in the Bronco, and John Mark Carr needs to have been there.

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