Kerry's slip-up

[over-man]

Now the democrats are open to attack just 6 days before election day, John Kerry said something along the lines of 'if you don't get an education and succeed in school, you'll get stuck in Iraq', apparently implying the soldiers stuck in Iraq couldn't do well in school, he claims to have meant to 'you'll get us stuck in Iraq' making it an attack in GW's intelligence.

This just goes to show you how impotent the democrats are.. they try to attack our dim commander-in-chief and his ill-concieved war in Iraq, both valid criticisms, and they open themselves up for attack.

Now virtually all republicans and many democrats are pouncing on him to wage one of the republican's most potent weapons, questioning the democrat's support of our troops.

[danzig]

Now virtually all republicans and many democrats are pouncing on him to wage one of the republican's most potent weapons, questioning the democrat's support of our troops.

Its a nonsense point one which I laugh at and I love soldiers response to it (points to sig) and it just goes to show how complete a moron Kerry is...not because of what he said but because why on earth would you say anything that could possibly be damaging on the eve of your parties retaking of the House and possibly the Senate. Im sure most Democrats would love 5 mins with Kerry just to beat some sense in him, everytime he opens his mouth he reenforces that as bad as Bush maybe Kerry was no improvement.

Of course both parties will jump all over it now clouding real issues...nice going Kerry the only reason I can think of is his brain is in his ass so when he got shot in Vietnam it did massive damage to his thinking. At this point I think if a Republican walked up to Kerry and said, Senator Kerry you are a very smart person, I admire you deeply and wish to be like you...oh and you are quite handsome that he would go on a rant explaining why he is a fugly moron....after he found a media crew to film it.

[over-man]

Its a nonsense point one which I laugh at and I love soldiers response to it (points to sig) and it just goes to show how complete a moron Kerry is...not because of what he said but because why on earth would you say anything that could possibly be damaging on the eve of your parties retaking of the House and possibly the Senate. Im sure most Democrats would love 5 mins with Kerry just to beat some sense in him, everytime he opens his mouth he reenforces that as bad as Bush maybe Kerry was no improvement.

Of course both parties will jump all over it now clouding real issues...nice going Kerry the only reason I can think of is his brain is in his ass so when he got shot in Vietnam it did massive damage to his thinking.

Democrats should just shut up and just hope the public's hatred of bush will win them the elections.

[danzig]

Democrats should just shut up and just hope the public's hatred of bush will win them the elections.

They should and most are but some are just so stupid they cant help themselves. Kerry needs to accept the fact Not Bush recieved 60million votes in 2006...not him and Kermit the Frog probably would have gotten that many votes and accept that he'll never be president.

[k995]

They should and most are but some are just so stupid they cant help themselves. Kerry needs to accept the fact Not Bush recieved 60million votes in 2006...not him and Kermit the Frog probably would have gotten that many votes and accept that he'll never be president.

Funny kerry got 59million votes, or did you forget that already? And replace bush with miss piggy and he would have gotten a lot more votes.

Yeah, right.
"You'll get us stuck"...that makes no sense at all.
I think he meant what he said.

But here is the paradox:
Kerry is a war veteran himself, so he was also implying his own stupidity.
So by making this stupid statement he seems to confirms it.
But by confirming the statement he also shows he is right, which is in conflict with his supposed stupidity.
So the statement must be wrong.

Conclusion: not all soldiers are stupid, but Kerry is.

Actually he is right, he just didnt have the guts to follow his point. Plenty(if not most) of enlistments are for financial reasons . And why do people have financial problems? because thet dont hav e decent job because they have no or bad degree.

[Carach]

saw this on the news, hilarious!

bush and co. making the most of it while they can i guess heh.

[Erik]

John Kerry said something along the lines of 'if you don't get an education and succeed in school, you'll get stuck in Iraq', apparently implying the soldiers stuck in Iraq couldn't do well in school, he claims to have meant to 'you'll get us stuck in Iraq' making it an attack in GW's intelligence.

Yeah, right.
"You'll get us stuck"...that makes no sense at all.
I think he meant what he said.

But here is the paradox:
Kerry is a war veteran himself, so he was also implying his own stupidity.
So by making this stupid statement he seems to confirms it.
But by confirming the statement he also shows he is right, which is in conflict with his supposed stupidity.
So the statement must be wrong.

Conclusion: not all soldiers are stupid, but Kerry is.

[danzig]

But here is the paradox:
Kerry is a war veteran himself, so he was also implying his own stupidity.
So by making this stupid statement he seems to confirms it.
But by confirming the statement he also shows he is right, which is in conflict with his supposed stupidity.
So the statement must be wrong.

Conclusion: not all soldiers are stupid, but Kerry is.

Yeah pretty much, anyway he spins it he is wrong. If he meant it as a knock in Bush he is saying that Bush is infact smarter than he is because as you said he ended up in Vietnam and Bush didnt. I loved the interview he had with Imus (national radio guy here in states) where he tells Kerry to please just go home, go biking, go windsailing anything and just be quiet. Love to see how Kerry explains this to Wesley Clark, a general and a man whether you like his politics or not (I dont) is probably smarter then Kerry and Bush combined.

[over-man]

Yeah, right.
"You'll get us stuck"...that makes no sense at all.
I think he meant what he said.

But here is the paradox:
Kerry is a war veteran himself, so he was also implying his own stupidity.
So by making this stupid statement he seems to confirms it.
But by confirming the statement he also shows he is right, which is in conflict with his supposed stupidity.
So the statement must be wrong.

Conclusion: not all soldiers are stupid, but Kerry is.

I'm sure he meant to say the us part.. no politician is stupid enough to insult the troops, not even Kerry. Swiftboat veterans all over again.

[Erik]

I'm sure he meant to say the us part.. no politician is stupid enough to insult the troops

I think Kerry is.
He probably didn't realize that it was offensive to soldiers when he said it.
More as an encouragement to do well at school so you have more options in live than to join the military.

Swiftboat veterans all over again.

You mean the "veterans against John Kerry campaign?"
That wasn't his fault, that was all spin. (those vets did not serve with Kerry, they never met the man, they were making it all up)
This seems to be his own mistake.

It's looking more and more like the party who screws up the least will win the midterms.
As both parties seem to be doing a lot of screwing up.

[Rush Limbaugh]

(those vets did not serve with Kerry, they never met the man, they were making it all up)

Bull.

I'm sure he meant to say the us part.. no politician is stupid enough to insult the troops, not even Kerry

He did it during Nam. And how about this comment from a few months ago?

And there is no reason, Bob, that young American soldiers need to be going into the homes of Iraqis in the dead of night, terrorizing kids and children, you know, women,

Heres what Kerry said

Originally Posted by John Kerry
education if you make the most of it, study hard and do your homework and make an effort to be smart you'll do well. If you don't you get stuck in iraq.

Heres what he was supposed to say

Do you know where you end up if you don't study, if you aren't smart, if you're intellectually lazy? You end up getting us stuck in a war in Iraq. Just ask President Bush."

What a maroon. Hes never been funny other than in the Adams Family.

[Erik]

Bull.

From wiki, but I like to see you dispute it as you called my claim "bull" not just "questionable".

The SBVT was formed in 2004. Membership was initially limited to veterans of the Vietnam War who at some point served in a Swift boat unit, as did Kerry. Of the 3,500 Swift boat sailors who served in Vietnam, the names of some 250 appeared on the group's initial statement against Kerry; most did not serve at the same time or in the same place as Kerry. Founding members of SBVT include Rear Admiral Roy Hoffmann (retired), a former commander of Swift boat forces; Houston attorney John O'Neill, an officer who became commander of Swift Boat PCF 94 several months after Kerry's departure in 1969 and who appeared opposite Kerry in a televised 1971 debate between them on The Dick Cavett Show; and 13 other named veterans. Several of those who joined SBVT during the 2004 campaign were officers who had previously praised Kerry's conduct during the Vietnam War. These included Division Commander Grant Hibbard, who wrote positive evaluations of Kerry, and Commander George Elliott, who submitted Kerry for a Silver Star. SBVT counts, in total, 16 officers who served with Kerry in Coastal Division 11 as members.[3] Despite SBVT's claims that Kerry's "entire chain of command" belonged to the group,[4] neither Joseph Streuli, former commander of Coastal Division 13, nor Art Price, former commander CTF 116 who is described in Unfit for Command as part of Kerry's chain of command, are affiliated with the group.

(...)

Of those who served in Kerry's boat crew, only Stephen Gardner joined SBVT. He was not present on any of the occasions when Kerry won his medals, including his Purple Hearts. Gardner appeared in two of the group's television advertisements.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swift_V...POWs_for_Truth

SBVT=Bull in deed.

[Lavastein]

nobody can defend him. you have got to be "out there" to actually disreguard what he said and thinm he said something else. yellow is yellow. its not green because you think it is.

he said sorry to the troops today

[over-man]

nobody can defend him. you have got to be "out there" to actually disreguard what he said and thinm he said something else. yellow is yellow. its not green because you think it is.

he said sorry to the troops today

Nobody is denying what he said. It's on videotape. I doubt that is what he intended to say. Unless he's secretly a republican and wants to further their agenda.

I think Kerry is.
He probably didn't realize that it was offensive to soldiers when he said it.
More as an encouragement to do well at school so you have more options in live than to join the military.

It may be true, but it is a fatal no-no to say in US politics, I think everyone in Washington knows this.

It's looking more and more like the party who screws up the least will win the midterms.
As both parties seem to be doing a lot of screwing up.

I guess.. the republicans started a botched war, a democratic senator made a botched comment.. pretty fair game.

[TheKwas]

It could be interpretted as an attack on Bush's intelligence even without the 'us'. Either way, it's just a joke people. An honest one at that, since an unproportional section of the armed forces did/do fail in the education system.

[Katrina]

Either way, it's just a joke people. An honest one at that, since an unproportional section of the armed forces did/do fail in the education system.

Then it isn't much of a joke if it really is true that a measurable amount of the men and woman in the armed forces did fail school. At that, it is downright disrespectful. No matter what marks those in the armed services got, they have so much more than that, to put their life on the line everyday for the sake of our country. They deserve respect, not ridecule.

[Dromikaites]

No matter what marks those in the armed services got, they have so much more than that, to put their life on the line everyday for the sake of our country. They deserve respect, not ridecule.

Well, Kerry was talking about Iraq so irrespective of what he ment to say, the American soldiers there would have behaved smarter by refusing to obey the invasion orders, by refusing to go there to replace those whose term has ended and by voluntarily packing and leaving now. Yeah, the country would plunge into a deeper chaos than today but since when did the Americans really cared about what happens in the 3rd world? I don't recall seeing them in Darfour or Rwanda.

Most of the soldiers in the democratic countries forget they have the big guns therefore nobody can force them to do anything they don't want to. And that must have something to do with either education or brainwashing. Unfortunately the only soldiers who seem aware of how important actually is to have a gun in hand are those in Africa and Latin America

[Farnan]

It could be interpretted as an attack on Bush's intelligence even without the 'us'. Either way, it's just a joke people. An honest one at that, since an unproportional section of the armed forces did/do fail in the education system.

Ummm... How about no.

There is a greater percent of high school graduates in the military than in the country as a whole.

[danzig]

It could be interpretted as an attack on Bush's intelligence even without the 'us'. Either way, it's just a joke people. An honest one at that, since an unproportional section of the armed forces did/do fail in the education system.

Oh really? http://www.af.mil/news/story_print.a...ryID=123027385

— 49.2 percent of officers have advanced or professional degrees; 39.4 percent have master’s degrees, 8.5 percent have professional degrees and 1.3 percent have doctorate degrees.

— 22.8 percent of company grade officers have advanced degrees; 16.5 percent have master’s degrees, 5.9 percent have professional degrees and 0.3 percent have doctorate degrees.

— 85.4 percent of field grade officers have advanced degrees; 70.7 percent have master’s degrees, 12.1 percent have professional degrees and 2.5 percent have doctorate degrees.

— 99.9 percent of the enlisted force have at least a high school education; 73.3 percent have some semester hours toward a college degree; 16.2 percent have an associate’s degree or equivalent semester hours; 4.7 percent have a bachelor’s degree; 0.7 percent have a master’s degree and .01 percent have a professional or doctorate degree.

[Ó Cathasaigh]

since an unproportional section of the armed forces did/do fail in the education system.

Any numbers to back that one up?