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Thread: The function of the hidden resource 'arguin'?

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    Default Re: The function of the hidden resource 'arguin'?

    Has any purpose been discovered for the HR swordsmith guild, that is present for Toledo and Damascus? Is it safe to use the HR for other purposes or to replace it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gigantus View Post
    No islam faction's units are listed afaik.
    Generally the swordsmith guild is easy to get in campaign for most factions that can train sword infantry.

    In vanilla the Moors have two sword units that will get the swordsmiths guild - Urban Militia in cities and Dismounted Christian Guard in castles in the late game. Otherwise the Turks and Egyptians have no sword units. Ditto for the Russians, who can't get it. If descr_guilds is amended to the conditions "type infantry/class heavy" (as in KGCM) the Egyptians (halberd militia) and Turks (halberd militia and Janissary Heavy inf) will only be able to get the swordsmiths guild in cities. They don't produce any heavy infantry in castles.

    That said, the Russians, Egyptians and Turks don't greatly benefit from a swordsmiths guild. Their strength is in their archers and horse archers. Generally they gain a swordsmiths guild through acquiring those of other factions.
    Last edited by FootSoldier; May 30, 2021 at 04:46 PM.
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    Default Re: The function of the hidden resource 'arguin'?

    Quote Originally Posted by z3n View Post
    So did your tests indicate that the AI favors settlements with hidden resources or specifically the arguin resource?
    I did the tests, combined total 30 runs with "aguin" and 40 without, going up-to 100 turns.
    The short answer is, hidden resources of any kind make minimal, if any, difference.

    The long answer:

    While mostly the results were inconclusive, the average turn the region was acquired on didn't vary too much, with notable exceptions.
    With 25 runs without arguin the average turn was 39.24, while 29 with was 38.97.
    At first this appears pretty convincing that it doesn't do what I had believed, however, this discards all runs that exceeded 100 turns.
    That's 5 runs (15%) without "arguin" with only one (3%) with "arguin" exceeding 100 turns.
    Adjusted including those runs at 30 runs each, the minimum average for the runs without arguin comes out to 50
    while the average with comes to 41. That is a noteworthy difference.
    That's the minimum, assuming they would have been claimed at turn 101 if I had run that long, chances of that are exceedingly slim, so it's fair to assume the average for without, would have been much higher.

    Interesting things to note, the one run with "arguin" that exceeded 100 turns occurred with another hidden resource as well ("denmark" one I made, used in the edb.) With the 20 runs with only arguin, the average was a solid 38.8, with the minimum average for 20 runs with no hidden resource being 47.75, but in reality would likely be much higher.
    Also, the variance was much less with arguin than any other setting.

    You may have noticed I stated 40 runs without "arguin" but up to now have only mentioned 30, that's because the 10 runs with "italy" had, interesting results. As with all run's without arguin, italy had one run that exceeded 100 turns, even without that one the average for the other 9 was turn 51, significantly higher than any other set.

    Here are all the numbers:



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    none
    34
    24
    101
    26
    36
    75
    47
    28
    101
    29

    Minimum average 50.1

    arguin
    29
    32
    42
    30
    40
    39
    56
    38
    30
    37

    Solid average 37.3

    claim
    34
    53
    29
    101
    40
    28
    101
    24
    91
    30

    Minimum average 53.1

    italy
    37
    101
    42
    37
    63
    89
    70
    27
    73
    22

    Minimum average 56.1

    none
    28
    40
    24
    58
    33
    53
    41
    101
    38
    38

    Minimum average 45.4

    arguin
    26
    37
    59
    35
    37
    67
    31
    43
    33
    35

    Solid average 40.3

    arguin, Denmark
    27
    41
    22
    85
    40
    35
    25
    101
    29
    50

    Minimum average 45.5

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