CA's heard the word MOAT, so why to play without?

[edmont]

Closer look on castles revealed that they are somewhat improved version of RTW's ones and no moats and other ... decadent things included.Simplicity itself-some drunken buddies with a log can gain access trough main gates and let the rest of a bunch enter...and if you like smth more complex play some other games Stronghold or whatever,yeah...

[Salil]

... come again? :hmmm:

[Flogger]

I think he's basically saying: "Boo, no moats. Another essential thing left out by CA. This game sucks "

And I agree. Moats were a huge part of medieval siege warfare. And they really should be in, what with all the new cities and whatnot.

[Germanicus75]

He says there's no moats around castles...

[edmont]

And CA told that game would be oriented on sieges

[Legione]

hmm I never thought of this, but it's true why are there no moats in M2TW?!?!?

[edmont]

I don't know. P.S.Why?

[Verminaard]

probably because they would have had to make special abilities for units to use, such as filling up a moat with branches and dirt, before being able to drive the rams or siege towers over the moat.
And with the ammout of troops you field in mtw2 you're not gonna have nearly enough to assault even a mid sized castle in this fashion.
Because as you might guess, the dudes that were filling up the moat were kinda open to ranged attacks from the tops of the walls.
And this would indeed slow down sieges to a great extend.
the total war sieges are great, but somewhat unrealistic.
But i still like em, and cant wait for my first siege in mtw2

[God-Emperor of Mankind]

There were never any moats in MTW1 and people didn't complain then so no reason to do it now.

[edmont]

There were never any moats in MTW1 and people didn't complain then so no reason to do it now.

But real sieges were taken years because of the things like moats and your strategical choices would grow if you are certain in your castle defences

[Kanfoosh]

What's a moat?

[Salil]

basically a canal around a stronghold

[Kanfoosh]

basically a canal around a stronghold

They didn't have those in MTW...

[General Dissaray]

I wonder how comon moats were in the period? A moat could not have been some trifel of a thing to biuld, I am no expert but they must have been some thing like 6 or 8 feet deep and more than likely go around the hole fortification. That would take a very long time to compleet not to mention be realy expencive. I think it would be more comon to see a castle biult in an easely defencibale place, like a hill or up against some clifs or some thing of that sort than to see a big trench doug around one.

[Spart]

Don't think these would be really possible in Med 2's quick and small siege battles. What next, mine tunnels? Moats are legendary, but dealing with those would take days, or it would be like tunnel-digging in Rome. =D
But I really hope they've added some spice to sieges, such as multiple walls.

[Kanfoosh]

You can have 3 rings of walls on a castle now...

[Black Francis]

Just imagine that the moats have all been filled in by the attackers... which in many sieges they were to a great degree by the time the final assault came...

[Hansa]

I am no expert, but I don't think moates were too common. That being said, to build castles and fortresses on islands was quite common, so you get the moat effect with that aswell. Hadn't thought about the lack of moates in MTW2, would be a nice feature, but the lack of moats is hardly a disaster anyway.

[Valhalla89]

It could be incorperated in my opinion. What you do is, after you have built the third ring of a castle, you could then decide to build the mote (because building before that would prevent any more expansion of the rings). This could be made into a long and expensive undertaking that only the biggest and best castles of the best factions could take the time and money to complete.

How would you then assult this castle? Simple, when you choose to build your seige equiptment like towers and rams, you simply have to wait x number of turn(s) or so to fill in the mote... in other words it gives the defenders like 2-3 more turns to arrive with another army and attack you from two sides... Then when/if you actually did assult you simply make the ground where the mote was, look like freshly dug earth and maybe make it a little muddy when it rains...

what do you guys think?

[Azog 150]

I dont think they should be incorparated in castles as it apears seiges are going to be hard enough already, plus it would be too complicated.

But I think it would be good if they could impliment them on forts. More realistic and makes seiging and defending forts more interesting and fun. I imagine there could be path finding issues with them as well as them getting a bit tedious. And there would still be seige problems such as filling it in ect