Improve performance with DeI

[luraz]

Hi people,

I would really like to try this mod, but I am facing a performance issue even though I got quite good rigs:

• Intel i7 2600k
• GTX 760 2 Gig
• 16 Gig memory

I noticed that I can handle huge battles of 2v2 in Rome 2 vanilla, however when I try the same kind of battle with the DeI mod, my fps drops when these armies collide and I get stuttering units. Perhaps I cannot handle some features of this mod, but I would like to know if you guys can give me any tips of how to improve the performance, but still be able to play this mod. For example:

• Are there graphic improvements in this mod that I can turn off?
• Are there unit improvements in this mod that I can turn off?

Any tip that could improve my performance with this mod will help me.

Thx!

[Dresden]

Welcome Some users do experience performance issues due to unit sizes and all of our new textures. There have been reports that the following could be helpful to various users:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Unlimited Video Memory : ON


Seems like there are several graphics option that will use GPU power instead of
CPU power if you set those options ABOVE "high" (very high to extreme) and thereby
reducing CPU burden and in return give you more fps.


Here are the 4 options that I mentioned above :


1. Shadow : set it on "Very High-Extreme" (put it above "high" so it will processed by
GPU instead of CPU)
2. Particle : set it on "Very High-Extreme" (same like above)
3. Unit Detail : set it on "Very High-Extreme" (same like above)
4. Building Detail : set it on "Very High-Extreme" (same like above)


Note : the most important thing here is you have to set those 4 options ABOVE "High" !


And here are several options that I recommend you all to be set like this :
1. Terrain : set it to either Low or Medium
2. Grass : set it to either Low or Medium
3. Trees : set it to either Low or Medium
4. Water : set it to Low - High
5. Distortion Effect and SSAO : should be unchecked (but still optional,
if you have good GPU it might be not a big performance hit)


Note : those 3 settings are really CPU heavy burden alongside Unit Size !

That was advice given by another player and I hope it may be helpful.

[luraz]

Welcome Some users do experience performance issues due to unit sizes and all of our new textures. There have been reports that the following could be helpful to various users:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Unlimited Video Memory : ON


Seems like there are several graphics option that will use GPU power instead of
CPU power if you set those options ABOVE "high" (very high to extreme) and thereby
reducing CPU burden and in return give you more fps.


Here are the 4 options that I mentioned above :


1. Shadow : set it on "Very High-Extreme" (put it above "high" so it will processed by
GPU instead of CPU)
2. Particle : set it on "Very High-Extreme" (same like above)
3. Unit Detail : set it on "Very High-Extreme" (same like above)
4. Building Detail : set it on "Very High-Extreme" (same like above)


Note : the most important thing here is you have to set those 4 options ABOVE "High" !


And here are several options that I recommend you all to be set like this :
1. Terrain : set it to either Low or Medium
2. Grass : set it to either Low or Medium
3. Trees : set it to either Low or Medium
4. Water : set it to Low - High
5. Distortion Effect and SSAO : should be unchecked (but still optional,
if you have good GPU it might be not a big performance hit)


Note : those 3 settings are really CPU heavy burden alongside Unit Size !

That was advice given by another player and I hope it may be helpful.

Thx for the quick reaction. I tried this and it does help with the performance, but I still get like 8-10 FPS when 2 armies collide with another 2 and I am playing it on medium units(so approximately 120 soldiers for every unit). I still do not know if this is a CPU issue or a GPU issue, but Vanilla was running fine. Maybe that was because they have less soldiers in a unit, but maybe it has also something to do with the improved textures in this mod.

[Chereye]

Maybe its due to the fact that "huge" battles in vanilla don't mean the same as "huge" in DeI.

Have you ever thought of overclocking your cpu? You did buy the k version which means its an' unlocked cpu. Hard to imagine someone buying that version that's meant to be overclocked and not knowing what that was (or had no plans to do so).

[luraz]

Maybe its due to the fact that "huge" battles in vanilla don't mean the same as "huge" in DeI.

Have you ever thought of overclocking your cpu? You did buy the k version which means its an' unlocked cpu. Hard to imagine someone buying that version that's meant to be overclocked and not knowing what that was (or had no plans to do so).

I know that huge in DeI is bigger than huge in Vanilla, but perhaps I could try some other solutions before reducing the amount of soldiers in units. And yes I do have the i7 2600k, but no motherboard that supports OCing. I also think it is a waste to buy a new motherboard now, only for OC for RTW2. SO the next time I upgrade my PC I will probably buy a new generation intel CPU and the right motherboard to be capable of OCing. For now, it is unfortunately not an option.

[luraz]

So another question would be: How many armies will you maintain during mid/late game on the campaign map? is it like between 15-20 full stacks of armies?(so with 15-20 generals)? If yes, then a battle of 2v2 or even 3v3 would occur many times during mid/late game right?

[Alu10]

the largest amount of armies i ever had in end game was 7 full stacks

[luraz]

the largest amount of armies i ever had in end game was 7 full stacks

Only 7?! Are you sure mate? So actually the max armies that one could get with this mod is maybe 10 in late game or not?

Because if this is true, then I do not need to worry that I will have many issues regarding the 2v2 army battles, as this chance is small, right?

[Krixux]

@ luraz

Stunning performance :

In your windows :

click START, type :
msconfig

There you will find:

msconfig>Boot>Advanced Options Number of Processors>1
Notice “1”
change to 4 !
you will have something like:

msconfig>Boot>Advanced Options Number of Processors>4
Apply>Restart Now

_________

in = C:\Program Files\Steam\SteamApps\common\TotalWar Rome II\redist\directx
scroll down till =
DXSETUP
Run Setup !!!

_________

Make another account / user for your windows !

Restart your pc - when asked at start chose the new one ... and use that account to play just DeI / R2TW !

_______

DO ALL 3 above !!!!!!!!!

Try now DeI / R2tw !!! ...

BTW - set graphics on ultra and give it a try

[luraz]

@ luraz

Stunning performance :

In your windows :

click START, type :
msconfig

There you will find:

msconfig>Boot>Advanced Options Number of Processors>1
Notice “1”
change to 4 !
you will have something like:

msconfig>Boot>Advanced Options Number of Processors>4
Apply>Restart Now

_________

in = C:\Program Files\Steam\SteamApps\common\TotalWar Rome II\redist\directx
scroll down till =
DXSETUP
Run Setup !!!

_________

Make another account / user for your windows !

Restart your pc - when asked at start chose the new one ... and use that account to play just DeI / R2TW !

_______

DO ALL 3 above !!!!!!!!!

Try now DeI / R2tw !!! ...

BTW - set graphics on ultra and give it a try

Thx for your advice mate! I actually tried steps 1 and 2 already, except step 3. So I will make a new account on windows to see if that helps.

[Caius Bingerus]

@Krixux: sorry to say, but what ya suggest is a complete urban legend since years, windows always try to use all threads if programs have multithreading, if a program can`t handle more than one thread, windows simply can't change that, equal what ya do with msconfig or taskmanager, btw, changing the number of threads is nonsense, windows always use all threads to boot, changing that to 4 means ya deactivate the others...as a reminder, never change windows default settings in this sector, there is no performance boost possible, wether with vista, nor 7 or 8 or 8.1, equal 32 or 64bit...all these so-called big performance boosts are legends, what Dresden said above is the only way for us to get some better performance though

[Krixux]

Best Caius Bingerus ,

I thought that as well , but I made those changes yesterday and now I can only tell you this:
It works !!!
From 60% low + 40% med graphics I play now at 80 % very high + 20 % ultra graphics.
And is shocking how fast it is.
Using 4 cpu in stead of 1 does make a difference.

Just give it a try ...

[ferassh]

Best Caius Bingerus ,

I thought that as well , but I made those changes yesterday and now I can only tell you this:
It works !!!
From 60% low + 40% med graphics I play now at 80 % very high + 20 % ultra graphics.
And is shocking how fast it is.
Using 4 cpu in stead of 1 does make a difference.

Just give it a try ...

OMG!!! cant thank you enough!! I have SSD and my loading times were SO bad!! now less than 30 seconds!! Im using windows 8 64x and it worked LIKE MAGIC!!! its even impossible for me to believe it!! URBAN LEGEN OR NOT IT WORKS !!
Dresden this should be a DEI sticky!! WOOOOOW

[Caius Bingerus]

@Krixux:

please read the text in this thread: http://www.howtogeek.com/173648/10-w...yths-debunked/

whatever you've done has nothing to do with the above mentioned tips, it is simply physically technically not possible, i think you played with directx 9/10 before and with reinstalling the directx setup from rome 2 you got directx 11, that should get some performance though, creating another acc has nothing to do with the above mentioned things too, despite that ya play rome 2 without admin rights for now and some progz aren`t loaded in background with this other acc, instead of the admin acc...

i don't want to insult ya or trying to teach ya here, really, but posting wrong tips is very contra-productive for the people using this forum, it may harm their rigs and nobody wants that...rome 2 warscape engine is not built for such technics, we got rigs with 8 cores and more, but only few progz/games in this world already can use that...it`s a matter of marketing and targetting, you build a game for the most wide range of PC`s, not all pc`s have up-date-to infrastructure, to be successful in gaming business means to sell as many copies as possible for the most possible range of cpu`s and gpu`s...trust me, mostly all boost/performance/blablabla progz in web are simply lies and false friends ;-)

wish ya nice day and i am happy that ya got a performance boost...

sincerly c. bingerus

[Krixux]

@Krixux:

please read the text in this thread: http://www.howtogeek.com/173648/10-w...yths-debunked/

whatever you've done has nothing to do with the above mentioned tips, it is simply physically technically not possible, i think you played with directx 9/10 before and with reinstalling the directx setup from rome 2 you got directx 11, that should get some performance though, creating another acc has nothing to do with the above mentioned things too, despite that ya play rome 2 without admin rights for now and some progz aren`t loaded in background with this other acc, instead of the admin acc...

i don't want to insult ya or trying to teach ya here, really, but posting wrong tips is very contra-productive for the people using this forum, it may harm their rigs and nobody wants that...rome 2 warscape engine is not built for such technics, we got rigs with 8 cores and more, but only few progz/games in this world already can use that...it`s a matter of marketing and targetting, you build a game for the most wide range of PC`s, not all pc`s have up-date-to infrastructure, to be successful in gaming business means to sell as many copies as possible for the most possible range of cpu`s and gpu`s...trust me, mostly all boost/performance/blablabla progz in web are simply lies and false friends ;-)

wish ya nice day and i am happy that ya got a performance boost...

sincerly c. bingerus

Caius Bingerus

In all honesty,I reversed my PC to previous status. I try to have an open mind. Rest assured that posting the wrong tips is not my intention. And indeed is contra-productive !

So...Restored windows before installation of directx from Rome2 data.

Then I reversed my PC to previous status = 1 core cpu in msconfig and deleted the new account.

I immediately run into old problems: long loading time, and 4 in 5 freeze (program not responding) some 20+ turns into DeI.

Max graphics I could play decently: unit, high – particle med – texture med –buildings -med , all others low.

Then I executed set-up of directx in data.

I didn’t help much , still had long loading time, and max graphics I could play decently with the data-directx: unit very high –particle high – texture med – buildings -med , all others low.

After this I allocated again all 4 cores in msconfig / boot .

Set all graphics at ultra. And – serious (!!!) performance boost...

I do not want to win a debate.

Is simply that with all 4 cores enabled in boot (enabled now max memory in boot as well) + dierctx +new account = for some reasons for the 1^sttime in 14 years I can play TW in graphics and flawless splendour... In the past 24 hours I received 4 notifications in my forum post ( a 1^stfor me) from players happy with the results. The changes do improve the game beyond my expectations , far beyond...

ps: second account circumvents the corrupted kernelBase.dll that is responsible for event id 1000 for which there is no solution except buying an dll repair program. See for your self:
https://www.google.co.uk/#q=kernelbase.dll+error

Took snip-shot of task manager 10 sec into r2tw with 1 core and with 4 cores. It was real pain and time consuming. There are obvious differences !

In picture - Up = 1core Down = 4cores.

[M@x1mus]

Krixux does this affect CPU temp??

[Krixux]

Krixux does this affect CPU temp??

Yes it does , for me some 10°C , but with a good cooling case it should not be a problem .

[M@x1mus]

Thanks!

[Caius Bingerus]

sorry OP for hijacking this thread

@Krixux: no problem pal, i rather prefer a good discussion with someone else like ya then nothing so all is well...

http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials...ndows-7-a.html

http://withinwindows.com/blog/2008/0...-with-msconfig

i strongly recommand to use that at your own risk folks, cause ya can get serious problems with your rig, as i mentioned above, normally it is only a placebo performance boost, if the box is checked in win7, all threads/cores will be used by win7 as default, if ya uncheck this option ya limit whatever prog or game ya use to the exact count of threads/cores you written there...nothing else...if ya do that, you have to deal with other progs that won`t work anymore, more heat and more power for your coolerstations (shortens lifetime of your machine)...never change a running system with such options who really disturb bios settings...

Krixux, could ya please give me the exact details of your mainboard, i am interested if your boost has something to do with your system specs

sincerly c. bingerus

[luraz]

sorry OP for hijacking this thread

@Krixux: no problem pal, i rather prefer a good discussion with someone else like ya then nothing so all is well...

http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials...ndows-7-a.html

http://withinwindows.com/blog/2008/0...-with-msconfig

i strongly recommand to use that at your own risk folks, cause ya can get serious problems with your rig, as i mentioned above, normally it is only a placebo performance boost, if the box is checked in win7, all threads/cores will be used by win7 as default, if ya uncheck this option ya limit whatever prog or game ya use to the exact count of threads/cores you written there...nothing else...if ya do that, you have to deal with other progs that won`t work anymore, more heat and more power for your coolerstations (shortens lifetime of your machine)...never change a running system with such options who really disturb bios settings...

Krixux, could ya please give me the exact details of your mainboard, i am interested if your boost has something to do with your system specs

sincerly c. bingerus

Np mate, as long as we get some tips out of this discussion about how to improve our performance it is fine