I have too manny florins.

[Lauran]

Hello everyone,

So first of all i love the mod. It looks really nice and the battles are a lot better.

Now I'm playing as England and I have a problem: i'm in turn 40 and have like 75.000 florins. Isn't that a bit too much? I'm making lots of armies and am at war with 3 countries.
Did something go wrong when i installed the mod, or is there an option to change this? Because it seems i can beat this game in no time.

[Navajo Joe]

Sadly, that is about right, I am afraid, that SS is rather generous, i understand that in SSHIP and Titanium, see sub mods, this will be reduced. The best part of the excessive bank account, is gift large sums, to other AI factions, such as Crusader States and watch them stack spam against the Fatties, everyone is your friend when you have money

[Duck of Death]

If its to easy with your numerous piles of cash, you can turn the difficulty up.
Are you playing on normal, hard or very hard?

Also, are you using Grim Reality? 2 or 4?

There's several things you can do in setup to tweak the difficulty of the game.

[Delvecchio1975]

It's one of the aspects of the game I like, actually. You can run full stacks of mercenaries, for example, or high quality elite troop stacks (if you wait enough turns to for the pools to refill, at least). I also hate in vanilla you have to watch out financially if you want to keep building in each settlement. no such worries in SS ....

[Lifthrasir]

That's exactly the feature that I don't like in SS.
Too much money = too fast developement = too many good armies = too fast expansion.
I personally think that it removes the fun somehow. That's why I used BGRIV to have a better balance on that point. But at the end, it's up to you.

[PlasmaDavid]

Surely it's offset a little bit by garrisons. As in, given the disparity between good and poor troops, and the fact it seems low level archery is very ineffective, having a handful of low level garrison troops is risky as an even halfway decent enemy army can capture your towns, so it pays to sink more cash into a bigger/better garrison. But I've only got a few hours into SS so far.

[Geoffrey of Villehardouin]

England is not a typical faction. It has no borders. Whoever is worried about having too much money can pick a weak faction. It would be a paradox to have too much money with a weak faction but if the problem persists, choose a faction in the middle of the map or close to the Mongols, play on very hard, with Gracul AI, maybe with BGR V. Any money still left can be gifted to your enemies.

My late campaign suggestions for a hard time and no cash: Crusader States (read this and this), Khwarezm, Cumans, Byzantium.

[+Marius+]

I have no idea what you guys are talking about...

I currently control western Europe with cities(huge and large), at least 3-4 citadels and still have trouble financing everything, especially the expensive late buildings.
A single swiss armored pike unit costs 1100 per turn, black band arquebusiers and Landsknechts 700/800ish, not to mention the reiters and the late period knights.

I still have to recruit/disband fleet after each naval invasion because I can't afford a decent fleet lol

[jhhowell]

I have no idea what you guys are talking about...

I currently control western Europe with cities(huge and large), at least 3-4 citadels and still have trouble financing everything, especially the expensive late buildings.
A single swiss armored pike unit costs 1100 per turn, black band arquebusiers and Landsknechts 700/800ish, not to mention the reiters and the late period knights.

I still have to recruit/disband fleet after each naval invasion because I can't afford a decent fleet lol

That's very interesting! Was the SS economy balanced around the late campaign? I've only tried the early campaign and the Byzantines are even wealthier than Lauran's England. That's part of the reason I haven't bothered continuing my SS campaign for some time now - it's just a matter of deciding whose provinces I want to bribe away and/or bury under more full stacks than they have, of higher quality units than the AI seems to recruit. This is with BGR II, which I don't think has any effect on the economy.

If SS is in fact focused on the late campaign, I should probably start a new campaign...

[Goofy]

Hello everyone,

So first of all i love the mod. It looks really nice and the battles are a lot better.

Now I'm playing as England and I have a problem: i'm in turn 40 and have like 75.000 florins. Isn't that a bit too much? I'm making lots of armies and am at war with 3 countries.
Did something go wrong when i installed the mod, or is there an option to change this? Because it seems i can beat this game in no time.

If you find the mod too easy as is I can warmly recommend Byg's Grim Reality (I'm assuming you are not playing with BGR at the moment, based on what I read). BGR adds a lot (and I mean a lot) of flavour and challenge to the game, so make sure to read the mod manual if you decide to go for it.

Also, welcome to the forums.

[Lauran]

Thanks for the reactions. I will try out SSHIP (well, if i can get it to work ) and Byg's Grim Reality. I will let you know if it delivers the challange/complexity i'm looking for.

[Goofy]

Thanks for the reactions. I will try out SSHIP (well, if i can get it to work ) and Byg's Grim Reality. I will let you know if it delivers the challange/complexity i'm looking for.

I'm sure you will like your game a lot better with those mods. As far as I can tell, BGR is by far the most complex and challenging mod out there, and SSHIP seems to have grown into something very interesting during my time away from here. I need to take a proper look into it as soon as possible, because at the first glance it looks fascinating.

Enjoy your game.

[Geoffrey of Villehardouin]

The Byzantines start in the early campaign as the strongest faction (someone had to be that faction) and it is easy for the human player to keep them that way. England is an easy faction to play because of its isolation. These are not representative campaigns. Needless to say, higher difficulty settings and the Gracul AI make for a more challenging campaign. There have been various threads with campaign recommendations at various times.

[jhhowell]

The Byzantines start in the early campaign as the strongest faction (someone had to be that faction) and it is easy for the human player to keep them that way. England is an easy faction to play because of its isolation. These are not representative campaigns. Needless to say, higher difficulty settings and the Gracul AI make for a more challenging campaign. There have been various threads with campaign recommendations at various times.

The faction rankings chart shows that every faction in the early campaign is extremely rich. Just loaded my Byzantine game, the Seljuks and Portugal have about 50k gold, everyone else has 80k+. And Portugal has been a one province country for most of the game. This is at turn 38.

Agreed that other factions would be less easy than Byzantines or England, but with that much money lying around any faction will be in good shape under human control (I don't think the AI knows about the "bribe" option on the diplomacy screen, for example). Looking at that wealth chart I don't see much hope for any early-era campaign; I think I will check out the late-era when I have time.

I'm using the Savage AI and found it remarkably good for a Total War game's campaign AI. A suicidally hyper-aggressive AI like back in RTW (the one major flaw with RTW, that I can recall) would combine with the excessive wealth to produce rapid runaway player-faction expansion. Which would be tedious and somewhat annoying, but in some sense even easier... The Gracul AI sounds like the RTW AI from the description; hopefully not so idiotic, but I do not find the claim that it's more challenging than Savage to be plausible.

[Geoffrey of Villehardouin]

The AI factions get more money than the human player. Just because other factions look rich in your byzantine campaign does not mean that they will have the same kind of money under human player control. Just the Byzantines start strong as the top faction and England can take its time while being isolated. Maybe a couple of the other factions will be relatively easy. Most early campaigns should be hard on the harder difficulty levels.

Also the AI probably knows about the bribe option, as there are reports, even if sparse, that the AI has succeeded in bribing. I think there was a report of a case of a settlement being bribed successfully from the human player by the AI in Stainless Steel. Bribing of diplomats and marrying off of generals by foreign princesses has also been reported.

Try the Gracul AI before you pass judgement on it. It is not just about the AI being aggressive, there are many aspects to it that make it a very challenging AI. If you find your game still too easy with the Gracul AI let the community know (because that has not been claimed by anyone yet - or they soon changed the mind). Then go for BGR IV or V.

[Sab99]

I'm playing SS 6.4 with bugfix mod and bribing certainly happens. Had a family member bribed, some armies (without a general). Sometimes you see, during a turn, that a princess or diplomat communicates with a city of yours. You don't get a diplomacy screen because they're trying to bribe your general.