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    Quote Originally Posted by tomySVK View Post
    My copy arrived few weeks ago

    Grainger is making history of Seleukid kingdom, he is not focusing on military history of Seleukids. In my view he is not military historian (at least for Hellenistic period - I didn´t read his books about other periods). He is excellent for Hellenistic history, history of Hellenistic dynasties, Hellenistic politics, Hellenistic diplomacy. In his books he describes battles very shortly. His books are not like The Seleucid army and Judas Maccabaeus by Bar-Kochva - this are still the best books about Seleukid military history.

    But it will be great to read some new specialized book about Seleukid military and campaigns with great illustrations
    True, but the battles were the main events. It feels like the battles just happened, and that's that. Like that it is of simmilar importance then what laws were implemented in an obscure city . Still loved the books though, but ofc you have to critisize something. No book is perfect

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anubis88 View Post
    True, but the battles were the main events. It feels like the battles just happened, and that's that. Like that it is of simmilar importance then what laws were implemented in an obscure city . Still loved the books though, but ofc you have to critisize something. No book is perfect
    Don´t get me wrong brother I almost feel the same (probably I´m to interested about military history ). But I wanted to write strong points for Grainger´s work, as I like his books (I have 6 his books) and they are really full of information. Some books are perfect Also I tried to point that to get basic picture about Seleukid kingdom you need to read many different books, to combine Grainger books with Bar-Kochva books and books like The Land of the Elephant kings

    @leoni: Great link One off topic question, but related to history- Is it true that Berlin´s Pergamon museum is closed for reconstruction?

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    yeah that is true, the whole museum island looks like they found some gold, everwhere they are digging....but the most anyoing for me is, that nearly 2/3 of all artefacts they have, you will not see...they didnt have the manpower, money, time even to sort and restaurate these stuff....info from their own dvd...dont know, how it is for other museums world wide...special tip for you, if you ever would visit sicily, like i had done, dont miss the museum at akragas-agrigento....the best pottery-vases i have ever seen..not just greek...
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    Thanks for answer, I read that it will be in reconstruction for few years - I must visit it later as I wanted

    There is a new book coming out in December 2015 called The Hellenistic World: Using Coins as Sources.



    http://www.cambridge.org/sk/academic...rces?format=PB

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    Just read the Antigonus book by Champion. Damn one wishes after reading these books that EB started 40 years earlier

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    I cannot understand why EB 2 team would use Kaveh Farrokh's book as a source of information if they have better choice like George Rawlinson or other sources which is better and free of charge? What i see here is Kaveh Farrokh's book is a waste of time and money plus the team don't need those garbage information.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iulian Bashir View Post
    I cannot understand why EB 2 team would use Kaveh Farrokh's book as a source of information if they have better choice like George Rawlinson or other sources which is better and free of charge? What i see here is Kaveh Farrokh's book is a waste of time and money plus the team don't need those garbage information.
    Hi,

    i don't know the books you speak off, but nowhere is it written that these books were used by the EB team only; it's a bibliography used and suggested by the EB forum community, not the eb book.

    Also, a good historian reads books from many authors and decides which are good and which are bad by himself. But like i said, i don't know the author mentioned here.

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    i searched for some infos about the nesiotic league and found this site as very usefull....about the kyklades at all...http://publishing.cdlib.org/ucpresse...&brand=ucpress

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iulian Bashir View Post
    I cannot understand why EB 2 team would use Kaveh Farrokh's book as a source of information if they have better choice like George Rawlinson or other sources which is better and free of charge? What i see here is Kaveh Farrokh's book is a waste of time and money plus the team don't need those garbage information.
    i have Farokh's book but havent read it yet. i hear it is somewhat biased, but so are some other sources listed in the bibliography, especially the older ones. nowadays, we all trained to read pass the biases so i personally dont see it as much of a problem, so long it does not distorts the actual 'facts' or turns into a sort of xenophobic rant. in any case, we have both Farrokh and Rawlinson listed. to expand his/her horizons, a good student would probably want to read both (if only and conclude that Farrokh isn quite up for the task).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iulian Bashir View Post
    I cannot understand why EB 2 team would use Kaveh Farrokh's book as a source of information if they have better choice like George Rawlinson or other sources which is better and free of charge? What i see here is Kaveh Farrokh's book is a waste of time and money plus the team don't need those garbage information.
    Also you can write review here. To point at strong points and weak points of this book/author. It will be interesting to read about him as the Pen and Sword is planning trilogy about Persian ancient armies.

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    found this great stuff, during my research for the seleucid dynastic cult....http://archive.org/stream/Achaemenid...gship_djvu.txt

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    I found two interesting books:

    Religion and Religious Practice in the Seleucid Kingdom.

    Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 


    The Seleucid Mint of Antioch - Primary Source Edition

    Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 


    It will be great if someone who read them can post the review of the books


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    Since I only discovered that recently and I'm sure there are more people around here that are interested in it:

    The Metropolitan Museum of Art offers countless of their publications that are out of print as PDF Download (http://www.metmuseum.org/research/metpublications/). Among those there are also several books and articles concerning classical and hellenistic time and several different cultures.

    So far I only skipped through most of them but I just list three of them I found particulary interesting:

    "The Thracians": The Metropolitan Museum of Art Bulletin, v. 35, no. 1 (Summer, 1977). Download PDF here

    Karageorghis, Vassos, in collaboration with Joan R. Mertens and Marice E. Rose, Ancient Art from Cyprus: The Cesnola Collection in The Metropolitan Museum of Art (2000). Download PDF here

    Milleker, Elizabeth J., Christopher Lightfoot, Melanie Holcomb, Marsha Hill, Jean Evans, Joan Aruz, Denise Patry Leidy, and Julie Jones, The Year One: Art of the Ancient World East and West (2000). Download PDF or view online here



    Hope you like it just as much as I do!

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    thanks for these, will update the op. cheers

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    There are several more on there! Shall I put them together in a list as well or will you refer to the met-museum-link anyway with the hint that there is more to get for everyone who's interested?

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    There are several more on there! Shall I put them together in a list as well or will you refer to the met-museum-link anyway with the hint that there is more to get for everyone who's interested?
    will do the latter, thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by tomySVK View Post
    I found two interesting books:

    Religion and Religious Practice in the Seleucid Kingdom.

    Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 


    The Seleucid Mint of Antioch - Primary Source Edition

    Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 


    It will be great if someone who read them can post the review of the books

    I will post a review when I get time, but just a quick word they are very in depth pieces of scholarship- not for the faint hearted. But if interested in the Seleukids very recommended.

    There is a new title in the works concerning the Seleukid Royal woman, a very fascinating topic and should be of the utmost importance to anyone seriously studying the Seleukids. I cannot say more as yet, till I return from the conference (definetly not the title or essays...yet)
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    Ptolemy Walter M. Ellis-Ptolemy of Egypt (1993) Paul McKechnie, Phillipe Guillame-Ptolemy II Philadelphus and His World (History and Archaeology of Classical Antiquity) (2008) (Papyrologica Coloniensia 6) J. David Thomas (auth.)-The epistrategos in Ptolemaic and Roman Egypt_ Part 1 The Ptolemaic epistrategos-VS Verlag für Sozialwissenschaften (1975) J. G. Manning-Land and Power in Ptolemaic Egypt: The Structure of Land Tenure (2003) Susan A. Stephens-Seeing Double: Intercultural Poetics in Ptolemaic Alexandria (2003) Brian Muhs-Taxes, Taxpayers, and Tax Receipts in Early Ptolemaic Thebes (The Oriental Institute Of the University of Chicago; Volume 126) (2005) Persia Vesta Sarkhosh Curtis, Sarah Stewart-The Idea of Iran Volumes I-III (Achaemenids to Sassanian dynasties) Cambridge History of Iran II-III Christopher Tuplin-Persian Responses: Political and Cultural Interaction Within the Achaemenid Empire-Classical Press of Wales (2007) Amelie Kuhrt-The Persian Empire: A Corpus of Sources from the Achaemenid Period Vol.1-Routledge (2007) John Curtis, St. John Simpson-The World of Achaemenid Persia: The Diversity of Ancient Iran-I. B. Tauris (2010) Javier Álvarez-Mon,Mark B. Garrison-Elam and Persia (2011) Seleucids Ronald Wallenfels-Seleucid Archival Texts in the Harvard Semitic Museum (Cuneiform Monographs,)-Brill Academic Publishers (1998) G. G. Aperghis-The Seleukid Royal Economy: The Finances and Financial Administration of the Seleukid Empire-Cambridge University Press (2004) Macedon (Meletemata) Miltiades V. Hatzopoulos-Macedonian institutions under the kings. Vol. I-Diffusion De Boccard (1996) (Blackwell Companions to the Ancient World) Joseph Roisman, Ian Worthington (eds)-A Companion to Ancient Macedonia (Ancient Warfare and Civilization) Ian Worthington-By the Spear: Philip II, Alexander the Great, and the Rise and Fall of the Macedonian Empire-Oxford University Press (2014) Pergamon/Attalids R. E. Allen-The Attalid Kingdom: A Constitutional History-Oxford University Press, USA (1983) Piok Zanon-The Sanctuary of Demeter at Pergamon: Architecture and Dynasty in the Early Attalid Capital (2009) Arabia Robert G Hoyland-Arabia and the Arabs: from the Bronze Age to the coming of Islam-Routledge (2001) General Hellenistic M. M. Austin-The Hellenistic World from Alexander to the Roman Conquest: A Selection of Ancient Sources in Translation-Cambridge University Press (2006) John R. Bartlett-Jews in the Hellenistic World Volume I, Part I Ronald Williamson-Jews in the Hellenistic World Volume 1, Part II Sheila L. Ager-Interstate Arbitrations in the Greek World, 337-90 B.C. (Hellenistic Culture and Society)-University of California Press (1997) Also a curveball; László Török-Hellenizing Art in Ancient Nubia 300 B.C. - AD 250 and its Egyptian Models (Culture and History of the Ancient Near East) -BRILL (2011) Steppe Peoples Christopher I. Beckwith-Empires of the Silk Road (2009) Various Trevor Bryce-Ancient Syria: A Three Thousand Year History-Oxford University Press (2014) Alexander Herda-Greek (and our) Views On The Karians) The terrific Osprey series on ancient warfare.

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    thats quite a collection, thanks. i'll go through it once i get some free time and add the titles to the op. thanks again.

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    So I thought I'd note a few of the books I've been using to research the Odrysai province, since the Getai / wider Balkans don't seem to have all that many works in their sections at the moment. I should note that I've not read all of these completely (yet), but I think I've seen enough to provide my (subjective) opinion:


    1. The Central Balkan Tribes In Pre Roman Times: Triballi, Autariatae, Dardanians, Scordisci And Moesians. Author: Fanula Papazoglu. Basically what it says on the cover. I found it somewhat dry to read, but this one is probably a very good introduction to the region and time-frame.
    2. The Policy of Darius and Xerxes towards Thrace and Macedonia. Author: Miroslav Ivanov Vasilev. Again, what it says on the cover. As can be expected this book focuses on a very specific time-frame and in my opinion it seems to require a basic familiarity with the subject matter as it doesn't really provide a chronological overview and mentions several historic events without further explanation.
    3. Thrace & the Thracians. Authors: Alexander Fol & Ivan Marazov. Nice introduction to the subject and provides a very extensive overview of Thracian religion and the ideology of Thracian kingship. I sadly found the historical overview included at the end rather short and somewhat lacking in detail. At times I also got the feeling the authors were somewhat biased, but this may have been the result of my own bias, so to speak. I will leave this for potential readers to decide for themselves.
    4. The Odrysian Kingdom of Thrace: Orpheus Unmasked. Author: Z.H. Archibald. Oh boy, this is a tough one. Probably the most extensive and detailed of them all, but also the least suitable for anyone unfamiliar with the subject or historical works in general. Expect archaeological and historical terminology, numismatic discussions and in-depth theorizing about (e.g.) the relations between Odrysian princes and the Greek colonies both on the coastline and inland. For my research purposes it was unfortunate that the focus does not extend beyond the early Hellenistic period, but I don't blame the author for drawing a line at some point (the book is heavy enough as it is ).


    I hope these additions will be of some help to anyone interested in the subject.
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