The Future Of Hyrule. It's possibilities and theories of what could happen?

[Eldren]

So this thread is about what could happen to the Continent of Hyrule. What are the Possibilities, and Theories to-come?

Here are a few examples:

1) What will happen to the different races of Hyrule, when the Labrynna Regime's knowledge becomes wide spread?

2) Like wise what will happen to the different races of Hyrule, when the knowledge of Wizzrobe Magic is leaked out by Hylian Wizards of the Order?

These next 2, are also good examples...

So, how long would it take for the nations of Hyrule to get off the Rupee Standard and have currency based around market value and whathaveyou.

My guess would be when there is not a surplus of Rupees flooding the market from Death Mountain.

But there is a few problems and things to note with that.
1) Death Mountain would have to become inactive, and the mountain range would have to be completely stripped of all rupees.
2) If that were to happen, to gorons would have to work in other lands to gain the Minerals/Rupees needed for every day life, They eat rupees after all.
3) If the Gorons are devouring all of the Local currency, It would cause a wide spread Recession and conflict with the Gorons.
4) In the end it could cause the extinction of the Gorons.
5) Because of all the above, the Gorons would not let this happen in the first place. They cultivate Death Mountain and the Mountain range it belongs to. So that the Lava is always flowing from it's sources, And for that lava to be spread around the land in rotations, so that there is always Rupee Cristal forming at all times through out the Death Mountain Range. The Gorons are Miners yes, But it may be more accurate to say they are farmers of gems, crystals, and valuable minerals.

Now that I think about it, The Labrynna Regime would benefit greatly by a trade alliance with the Gorons. They would no longer have to strip mine or use lesser forms of mining to get the mettle and ore they need for there industry. Also they would be able to again in mass quantities the minerals needed for gunpowder.

[Drazule]

Well Linbeck sells the secrets of Gunpowder to New Hyrule for a fortune.

[starwars90001]

nothing man, by the time of the great seas extrapolation most of the factions of hyrule are destroy, isolated themselves from the world, or are moving to new lands.

[Sir Aroun]

nothing man, by the time of the great seas extrapolation most of the factions of hyrule are destroy, isolated themselves from the world, or are moving to new lands.

Well that is a lazy answer. for the good of the thread just use the freeform campaign timeline (add for histora when need)

[starwars90001]

sorry man but that's the answer, the only faction that I think befits is hyrule, and maybe the kokiri, but nobody else is around b the time that labrynna's technology becomes known. I believe we talk about this before on the main thread.

[Avatar of the Ice Wolf]

I believe we're talking mainly hypothetical here and not tying ourselves to the events in Neph's timeline which lead to GSTW. After all, if you play your own Freeform Campaign, the Hyrule Historia stuff that happens past the first arc never happen anyway. So in a world where Hyrule is not flooded, these questions are worth a certain amount of consideration.

[starwars90001]

well if your going by the logical then the spread of labrynna and wizrrobe would probably effect hyrule the most, the other races are indifferent to new ideas, bu first we need to make it clean, what type of knowledge are they spreading.

[VictorAYorke]

well if your going by the logical then the spread of labrynna and wizrrobe would probably effect hyrule the most, the other races are indifferent to new ideas, bu first we need to make it clean, what type of knowledge are they spreading.

Well, we know Labrynna has hydraulics, matchlock muskets, the steam engine and (according to their techtree) has abandoned animal husbandry in favour of battery farming. They also practice strip-mining, operate a large and well-trained dedicated police force (Homeguards), and regularly use slaves on scales from the national to the domestic.

if we assume Hylian ruling and mercantile classes see Labrynnian culture as being in vogue, we'll see some fairly cosmetic changes at least. Functional Labrynnian architecture will become apparent, matchlock sporting pieces might become popular and might just make it into the officers' gear, Tokay would probably be imported to do the heavy lifting. However with traditionalism and the mighty weight of organised Strict Goddess Worship, that's all that'd happen. This being the most canonically idiotic faction in all Zelda however, we can expect a Tokay revolt to take Castle Town and capture the princess inside 25 years.

Lanayru would be the ones to look out for though, in my opinion. They are adaptable, reside on the cutting edge of what is fashionable, and would probably jump at a cultural influence that isn't their Hylian or Zora oppressors. Expect battlecrab cannons to lead the revolution...

I'n not so sure about Ordona though. They are a rather tradition-steeped agrarian culture possessing lots of farmland. I imagine they'd react to the changing face of Central Hyrule much as France did to the British mass-industrialisation. Which, by the way, is exactly the time and place Les Miserables was set - worker wages would sink below sustenance levels to keep up with factory prices, and things start to fall apart from there.

More factions may follow, when I'm not on my phone and overrunning my lunch break...

[starwars90001]

I would believe that hyrule start using labrynna technology but not in the same way, they probably wouldn't go to the extremest labrynna to advance themselves so no slavery. other races like the kokri and goron probably wouldn't see any use in guns and hydraulics, since their more nature in tun.

say what type of magic is the wizrrobe spreading.

[VictorAYorke]

To continue -
Gerudo we have very little about their culture, so I'm going to assume Gaia's treatment in the RP is canon. Which means a Gerudo society that actively takes ideas that will work from them and ignores those that would only hinder them. Nothing Labrynna can offer is going to change their cultural identity much in this case.

Zora , Darknut , Kokiri , Fairies, Horon, Huskus, Lizalfos are all roughly similar in my eyes - they are all going to reject the Labrynna's bounty on grounds of tradition, disdain, ethical concerns etc. There will be exceptions of course (like irredeemable Dishonoured taking up advanced military technology, Faron Mudmen being up for whatever kills things quicker and or Urban-clan Lizalfos being more receptive to the space-efficient and effort-saving Labrynnian lifestyle) but they will be the exception rather than the rule.

Scholars among the Moblins and Deku are fairly few, and medieval engineering has been thus far as far as they're going to reach. They'd use Labrynnian technology if handed to them, but cultural ideals will be ignored if not plundered.

Sharing of mining techniques could make the Gorons more ruthless in their farming methods, while the effect a Goron workforce would have on Labrynna is actually pretty scary. Otherwise the brotherhoods of Death Mountain will simply let the squishy people with a affectation for brass get on with whatever they are trying to do.

We can expect the Zola to steal weapons and trinkets as they find them, but nothing more.

Please bear in mind this is merely my inane ramblings and other opinions are available. In fact, if we come up with a lore that's detailed enough, maybe a 'Labrynna just won the Grand Campaign' mod might well be interesting. Kind of like KotGL but with more double-breasted jackets and guns?

@Wizzrobe
All of it perhaps? Eldren said if the secrets of magic are leaked by Hylian Wizards (wizzileaks.org?). From which I assume that means the whole Wizzrobe roster goes out to those who want to invest time and effort learning them.

However, does this include all races, all Hylian-descended races or only pure-blooded Hylians? (Hylian-descended are Hylians, Sheikah, Ordonians, Gerudo, Lanayru Zora and Labrynnians)

[Eldren]

So if I understand this right. The Lanayru Zora Have the most to gain from leaked knowledge of how to learn and use Wizzrobe Magic, And from the knowledge that could/eventually be learned from the Labrynna Regime.

Two more things to think and ponder about.

1) What are the Future possibilities of the Zora Coralmold? Could/will it become as wide spread used as Plastic? And for similar purposes?

2) What is the future of the Gohma? They have much to gain, if they can learn Wizzrobe Magic. Will they go extinct? Or be forced in to hiding like the Stalfos? Will they use Guerrilla tactics like the River Zora to maintain their Hives and numbers? What are the "what if's" and possibilities for them?

Edit:

Please bear in mind this is merely my inane ramblings and other opinions are available. In fact, if we come up with a lore that's detailed enough, maybe a 'Labrynna just won the Grand Campaign' mod might well be interesting. Kind of like KotGL but with more double-breasted jackets and guns?

This would be interesting.


If it were going to be made. Think of this.
Moblin Mercs for hire.
or Moblins, Dogs of the State.
Both ideas with guns that have been given to them.

[starwars90001]

gohma don't learn anything since their just a collective mind, they find ways to adjust through breathing. I want to ask this though, you said that in the case of races that are indifferent to it(I'm going to call them traditionalist) like kokiri wouldn't use it, but the outcast or dishonored would, could this lead to a rebellion or a culture change with them. with them leaving their old faction to form a new one.

[Eldren]

gohma don't learn anything since their just a collective mind, they find ways to adjust through breathing.

If we assume there is no Overmind/Great power leading any of the races. Like Demise, Majora, The great Deku Tree. And other lesser Deitys. Then I would assume you were right.

I want to ask this though, you said that in the case of races that are indifferent to it(I'm going to call them traditionalist) like kokiri wouldn't use it, but the outcast or dishonored would, could this lead to a rebellion or a culture change with them. with them leaving their old faction to form a new one.

This is a distinct Possibility.

Edit:
On the mater of slavery. The Mobins would be a fine substitute for Tokay. Yes they would be harder to handle. But they are stronger, more numeris, Less orgenised. With few of their race who can lead them from there slavery. Also I believe it to me more likely, that more races would probably consider the Moblins animals, And would take a liking to the Tokay and their behavior. Fighting for more Tokay rights, Or at the least, Up-grade them to Servants from slavery. Be it endenchered Servants or not.

[WindGuru]

Hrm, going by what's in lore (and the Labs are my favourite faction so )...

Labrynna loses the war. Hyrule makes an alliance and sieges Lynna City, and then three separate armies go rampaging around inside it. I'm guessing that'd wreck Labrynna's economy and infrastructure. They still seem to be around by Linebeck's time, but they're probably a backwater country again. What happens next depends who's in charge. If a political leader takes over (like a canonised version of Lynna's mayor--what happened to the monarchy in Labrynna between Past and Present anyway?) we could see the scapegoating of races that "stabbed Labrynna in the back" and a desire to write the wrongs of the past. Labrynna already has touches of Germany, I'm sure people know what I'm thinking of here. If Ralph or one of his descendants is in charge though we could see the opposite; Labrynna quietly apologises for the chaos it's caused, pays war reparations and regains much of its past glory within a generation. Within two it's Hyrule's strongest ally, and within five it's dominating the continent economically.

[Kilratan]

For me :

I think that Hyrule will be more influence by Labrynna's technologies that a lot of factions. A lot of factions are in conflict with them so I imagine that Hyrule will be very interesting by news uppgrade of armement. But their culture will not change a lot of because they are very proud.

For Wizzarobs I suppose that they will be sects and secrets cabals but not more for the same reasons. The people of Hyrule is very attached of the cult of goddesses. Maybe many sorcers engage by the royal family or for conflicts but always with suspicions I think.

Idem for Gerudo.

For the Dominion, I think that Labrynna's technologies and culture will not have successed. Their are too arrogant to accept a foreign culture. But the wizzarob will have more success because the magic is very important for his military forces and culture. So I think they will be more perceptive at Wizzarob that Larynna.

I think that Lanayru is the land who will be that will be most influenced by Wizzarobs because their magic could be a very important help for their independance war. I imagine that the quenn Rutela will be agree with all things who could help his people in the war. Finally I imagine that the Wizzarob's religion will supplant the Lanayru's religion and that a civil war will be possible between sorcelar who are faithful with the Wizzarob's order and the throne.

Labrynna too could be have an important influence on Lanayru. But only if they become independant with success. Because I don't think that Hyrule will be agree for arquebuse trade between Labrynna and Lanayru ^^


And how do you see the political situation Lanayru successed to have his independence. And how coul they ?

[HTD]

For the Dominion, I think that Labrynna's technologies and culture will not have successed. Their are too arrogant to accept a foreign culture. But the wizzarob will have more success because the magic is very important for his military forces and culture. So I think they will be more perceptive at Wizzarob that Larynna.

The Zora Dominion doesn't exist anymore. It was destroyed in mission 23.

[VictorAYorke]

The Zora Dominion doesn't exist anymore. It was destroyed in mission 23.

This thread is based on the circumstances and relationships from the Freeform campaign, and consider the story missions to not be applicable. Otherwise every question asked in this thread would be answered with 'Moonfall, Great Sea, those factions no longer exist' which makes for a short (and possibly uninteresting) discussion. That said, the plot of HTW, GSTW et al can still tell us things about faction relationships and things even if we don't take it as the sole canon ending to the scenario under discussion.

@Kilratan
Lanayru technomagic now needs to be a thing =D

Since Lanayru has it's own flag, an internal government structure of sorts and a completely distinct culture from Hylian, I've been thinking of them as a semi-autonomous vassal such as Ordona. What they're attempting is perhaps less a revolution than a secession, and with enemies on almost every border Hyrule isn't in place to simply treat it early with excessive violence. Whether that means a war or peaceable solution is up to the parties involved really...

[Kilratan]

@ HDT

The Zora Dominion doesn't exist anymore. It was destroyed in mission 23.

Oh, sorry I didn't undestand.



Lanayru technomagic now needs to be a thing =D

Since Lanayru has it's own flag, an internal government structure of sorts and a completely distinct culture from Hylian, I've been thinking of them as a semi-autonomous vassal such as Ordona. What they're attempting is perhaps less a revolution than a secession, and with enemies on almost every border Hyrule isn't in place to simply treat it early with excessive violence. Whether that means a war or peaceable solution is up to the parties involved really...

@VictorAYorke

I'm agree ^^

I'm agree with your vision of Lanayru but I made a Lanayru's revolution script because in there description they are martyrize by Hyrule. But Imagine that they want make cessession. How could them successed ? And how the politic of Hyrule could be change ?

[VictorAYorke]

@VictorAYorke

I'm agree ^^

I'm agree with your vision of Lanayru but I made a Lanayru's revolution script because in there description they are martyrize by Hyrule. But Imagine that they want make cessession. How could them successed ? And how the politic of Hyrule could be change ?

Historical parallels, if we need them, could come from the Dutch resistance to Hapsburg rule in early/mid renaissance, the ever-popular American War of Independence (or American Revolution, depending on which side you're descended from), the Boer Wars and associated uprisings in South Africa, and all the Cold War-era revolutions or rebellion-based regime changes you can name. I think the first two work better, since Lanayru is affluent and trade-oriented by the time of its uprising (sorry SA), and there's probably no third party who's both strong enough and politically invested enough to 'help things along'.

We know that Lanayru Conscripts are a volunteer militia (yes, i know) in which each soldier is "fueled by a need to change the state of the Province". Which implies the bulk of their forces are recruited specifically to fight someone or something in order to gain their independence. So I guess open conflict with Hyrule is pretty inevitable in lore terms. Or of course, the fact Hyrule Prime is their campaign objective makes it a bit obvious...

How Lanayru gains their independence, is kind of the point of playing the Lanayru campaign As for the politics of Hyrule? Well it depends on how they do get their independence.

Spoiler for Fights for independence, wins: 

Should Lanayru not only hold back the tide of Knights from their southern border but also push them back to the very gates of Castle Town, they would be able to pursue peace on very favourable terms. This means Hyrule loses access to those rupee mines, loses control of their northern border and takes a massive blow to their sphere of influence. Lanayru meanwhile is now a legitimate power and can start forging diplomatic ties with whoever they like. Obvious potential allies include the Gerudo, who would share a suspicion and dislike of Hyrule, and would let each support the other strategically.

Hyrule would possibly grow stronger connections with the pure-blooded Zora following the struggle together ("we eugenics nuts ought to stick together. But, you know, not too together...") or else declare their universal distaste of all Zora-kind. Most likely the former. Gorons are too insular and laid-back to make too much of things, but they might consider the Lanayru cause meritorious enough to counterbalance their old alliance with Hyrule. Kokiri I have no idea about - it's possibly too far from their borders to consider important.

Gohma would have a great chance to attack a war-weary Hyrule but at the same time has a tougher, more active neighbour to contend with. If the Overmind began an all-out assault through Audorn, they'd have to somehow convince Lanayru they are the lesser evil or else risk being stomped on by battlecrabs. Likewise the Gerudo (their old rivals are now poorer, humbled and most importantly looking the other way) and Blins (Waaargh!!) have their excuses to follow up on Lanayru's success.

Ordona now, that is a very interesting idea. It's true that Hyrule and Ordona are close allies and have been for a very long time, but it's perfectly clear which nation is wearing the proverbial trousers in this relationship. Should a movement to win the Province it's independence start circulating, Hyrule might have no choice but to offer lots of concessions. Losign Ordona would cut Hyrule off from its main breadbasket, greatly restrict access to cavalry mounts, abandon yet another valuable trading partner and possibly even lose their last scrap on 'safe' border.

Internally to Hyrule, we can expect less interest with other factions and a more prominent fortress mentality. Concerns over racial purity might increase yet further, and their society will become more restrictive as a result. Generally speaking, fun times will not be had. The Sheikah may even be roped in to help settle the score with their newest enemies...

Spoiler for Gains independence, little or no fighting: 

An independent, unified and separate Lanayru that retains its loyalty to Hyrule would probably mean a richer Hyrule. That their northern shores are no longer taxable is a sad fact, but they no longer need to govern or garrison that territory (and can demand some form of tribute) so the chance for a net gain is readily available. On top of that Lanayru culture is trade-friendly and when independent they might find ways to spin out yet more money for their parent state. Hylians may be angry to see the Goddess-damned hybrids walk away with a chunk of their kingdom, so relations may be strained among the reality-impaired...

Lanayru is now effectively the Canada to Hyrule's USA, in fact geographically speaking they really are KoH's Hat. They might not have the legitimacy boost of beating Hyrule, and they might still be tied to their old masters one way or another, but they can honestly say they are about as autonomous as the Gorons, Kokiri and Zora are, while possessing none of those races' insularity. If they play their cards right, they might well become the new cultural and mercantile hub of the continent, developing a new golden age through cooperation. And if everything goes horribly wrong, they can always return to the shelter of Hyrule's armies and treasury.

How much effort the Zora Dominion put into dissuading the Lanayru secession (and whether Aydia took down her slightly scary 'Wings Over Lanayru' political blog) will have a direct impact on what they think. The key emotion of Zora's foreign diplomacy is arrogance though, so we can assume they don't approve. With no common border with any of the Airu coast, the Zora aren't going to be directly affected internationally. Indirectly, the Hylian-Zora hybrids are now by some measure legitimised, which is very bad. Zora can't act against Lanayru now without angering Hyrule while any Zora who wishes to leave the Dominion can apply/leave/escape to join Lanayru.

Anyone who wanted to attack Hyrule, hasn't got the chance to do so. If a Gohma raiding swarm wanted to get into Hyrule they could do it by navigating between not-yet-synchronised Hylian-Lanayru customs/border guards. Same with a Gerudo party after (mammalian) males.

There are races for whom offering independence seems like weakness. Darknut in particular, plus possibly Lizalfos and probably Moblins, might ask why the supposedly almighty Hyrule willingly granted freedom to a whole country when they should have been able to simply crush them. They might also ask why Lanayru took the path of diplomacy instead of carving out their borders honourably. One sword can fell and empire, after all, and surely the KoH is an ample target for felling?

Labrynna might claim the whole event never happened, independence is completely not a thing, and the Tokay should remain willing slaves of the Regime forever. Sadly, the Tokay would probably believe them.

[Eldren]

Wow VictorAYorke. That is good intel. Thanks for that.
I guess we can assume that from all this so fare in the thread. That Lanayru holds the keys to the Future of the continent of Hyrule. Even more so then Labrynna for the immediate Future. But this is assuming that all other factions play nice and don't do much with their time.

What say you? What else could be happening around the continent?

I would say the Darknuts would find it to be beneficial to conquer the Moblins and make them part of their empire. They could be easily controlled with a strength of arms. And since Moblins respect power, and will only follow power. It would be a logic chose for the Darknuts. The Gerudo would prove much more harder to contral then the Moblins.

Then again after the conquest of the Moblins by the Darknuts, and an alliance with the Gerudo promising to improve their lives and land. Could come as a unifide force to clanse the norther swomps of Gohma and flosh or pomp that wanter to the Desert and southern Moblin lands.

From there they could reestablish a fertile ecosystem. Just like Israel.
In real life the country of Israel has turned the desert and wasteland of their Home, into fertile forest and pastures.