Religions in TW ATTILA - Catholic and Orthodox Christians in AD 4-5 cc.????

[JERUSALEM]

The religions in TW Attila is one of the new and key feature, which I like and respect for this to CA team, but after I have seen the official presentation
of the Total War: ATTILA by CA members and looked into the map with the description of religions, I found some very serious errors in it.

Just see the screenshot of the map from this official presentation:




What is the Catholic Christianity and Orthodox Christianity, can someone explain it to me???!!! The whole Western and Eastern Roman Empire shared one, official,
united Orthodox (some might call it Catholic or true) Christianity. They both have Nicene Creed (325) Christianity. So, what a huk is Catholic and Orthodox religions in AD 4 and 5 cc.???

Also, the Caucasus region that is shown in the map, at least the the Western portion of it (Kingdom of Lazica) was half Christian and half pagan (mixed worship of local deities, Mithraism and Graeco-Roman pantheon).
Zoroastrian faith was spread only in Eastern portion of Caucasus - in Kingdom of Karli (Iberia) and Kingdom of Arran (Albania), but even in those countries the state religion or the official religion was Orthodox Christianity!
But in the map we see TENGRI and ZOROASTRIAN religions in Lazica, which is big mistake for this country.
Even Armenia was Christian from 314 and this country was also Orthodox Christian country before the separation of Diophysites and Monophysites, after the Council of Chalcedon (451). Hence before the 451 there were no Monophysits, no Nestorians, and no Catholics and Orthodox Christians, all of these was united in one single Christian Church - Just to be called Orthodox Christian Church, or just the Christian Church. So, division between the Catholics and Orthodox churches or religion is the huge mistake.
Hence, Armenia has to be half Christian (The United Christian Church/Orthodox Christian) and half Zoroastrian as its overlords from Sassanian Empire were of Zoroastrian faith, hence Zoroastrianism was also official religion in Armenia in AD 4th and 5th cc.

As for the Aryans, the Aryans really existed in AD 4th and 5th cc. (just after 325, they were separated from Orthodox Church) and many Barbarians became Aryan in opposition to Roman Empire (Western or Eastern Roman Empires).


I think these, above-mentioned, and much more has to be changed in religions vanilla campaign map (if start is about from AD 395) in Attila Total War in order to achieve maximum
historical accuracy for the game in AD 395.

Your opinions and suggestions guys... maybe you also have some correction about the map?!












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[Gromovnik]

I hope mods will take care of it so that we don't have to deal with CA's nonsense.

[Cope]

I actually loled at this.

[Kinjo]

Looks like they are trying to establish a distinction between the Eastern and Western empire through culture/religion. Religion will replace culture in Attila, these are probably just placeholder names. What would be better options, Eastern and Western Christianity?

[BAGRAT 7]

Christianity was official religion in eastern Georgian around 326 bc and widely spread in western part of georgia long before than in kartli.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Nino
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Council_of_Nicaea

[❋ Flavius Belisarius ❋]

Looks like they are trying to establish a distinction between the Eastern and Western empire through culture/religion. Religion will replace culture in Attila, these are probably just placeholder names. What would be better options, Eastern and Western Christianity?

The best would be an unique Christian religion because the game will not be related to the East-West Schism of 1054.

By the way we might have the rise of Islam in the game, what do you think ?

[Linke]

Religion will replace culture in Attila

I thought they were going to be separate, heard it in some interview I think.

[Sol Invictus]

I thought they were going to be separate, heard it in some interview I think.

That is what I heard as well. There will be both Culture and Religion.


I guess CA just went with popularly know religions in order to make Eastern and Western Romans different but I agree they should use another name than Orthodox for Eastern Roman religion.

[Theo]

Have to agree with the OP, for people with even the faintest familiarity with Christianity it's just weird to see an east-west schism 600 years early. If they want to represent the cultural divide between the western and eastern empires, it would be better for them the emphasize or acknowledge the Greek and Asian influences on the eastern empire.

[Gromovnik]

That is what I heard as well. There will be both Culture and Religion.


I guess CA just went with popularly know religions in order to make Eastern and Western Romans different but I agree they should use another name than Orthodox for Eastern Roman religion.

Actually, both empires should have Orthodox Christianity as their state religion at that start date.

[Cope]

Actually, both empires should have Orthodox Christianity as their state religion at that start date.

Na both should have "Catholic"

[Yayattasa]

Roman and Greek Christianity would've been fine.

[Keyser]

Yep latin and greek rites would be a better differentiation (but then you would also need eastern rites as well, and coptic...)

[The Useless Member]

Na both should have "Catholic"

Actually, both empires should have Orthodox Christianity as their state religion at that start date.

Naahh Christian should suffice.

lol. I think both regions had differing rites, rituals, etc. by this time, but probably not enough to classify them as two different religions yet.

[Sherm]

Bad choiche, even if there are differences in the rites through the time, and some political clash before the schism, the should be only Christianity with some heresy mechanic.

They divided beetween orthodox and christian, but not add someone that should be there coptic and nestorianism. Also the "other" religion, is not so very needed, more or less can be added generic religions for all the map, and there should be some presence of the jews in my opinion. Maybe can be there Some north african tribe, there was jews tribes at time but I can't say if they can be majority in some region.

[Gromovnik]

Or they could have Nicene Christianity, Arian Christianity etc.

[Slydessertfox]

If they want to have different christianities it should be orthodox (I.e. Catholics) monophysites, and Arians.

[Riekopo]

It seems like an amateur mistake or a poor design decision.

[achilles-91]

its all right to trying to diferent west from east..but ORTHODOX AND CATHOLICS ?this is fail.

[Cope]

Even something very simple like Latin Church and Greek Church would be a more accurate difference.