Obsession: Radical Islams War Against the West

[Ó Cathasaigh]

http://www.obsessionthemovie.com/12min.htm

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Enjoy, and sleep well if you can.

I am going to buy the full version, I think, it seems like it's well worth the cost.

[Last Roman]

Like the movie stated, these are a minority. It is up to the moderates to stand up to radicals. This radicalism must be defeated from within, the west trying to shut it down will only fan the flames.

[Zenith Darksea]

Very interesting, and surprisingly fair with the facts. However, what they didn't mention is that, though radical Muslims may be more inspired than Nazi Germany, they don't have the kind of political unity or economic stability (or military technology) to achieve anything comparable to Hitler's goals.

[Logue]

True in a conventional conflict they would lose, but times have changed. Even though its only a minority thats are calling for death to america, history has shown that the masses can be swayed.

[Ummon]

Interesting. I don't think movies can do it, but this one is noticeable.

[Ahiga]

Well, watching it now, but I'm glad it makes a distinction between radical and regular.

They made a mistake with Chechnya - That's not the same as 9-11 or the madrid or london bombings.

Also, 'wanting to turn the whole world to America' - is that so hard to believe after they saw Iraq, and after they witnessed our behavior towards Iran with the Shah? I don't think it's true, though I can see where thinking of America wanting to have the whole world be it's sphere of influence would come from.

And I don't know. I found it funny that 'America wants to get us' is the context for their jihad, and for Iraq, the context given by the Bush administration was that very same self-defense doctrine. "And that if you want people to fight, you have to make them think that there is a threat and that they are in danger" is very much the exact same dogma given to us by the Bush Administration for invading Iraq. "If we don't fight them overseas, they'll be fighting us in our streets and our homes". At first, that was a blalant lie, but now it's starting to become a truth by their own hands - We made Iraq into a terrorist haven, and if we leave, then we might well have them attack us in our nation - Not fight us in our streets. Unless Mexico or Canada becomes Islamic, we aren't going to turn into Beriut Lebanon.

Is there a threat? Hell yeah. Do they want to harm us? Yes. But that wasn't Iraq. So I guess I found it funny that the very same dogma they were using was used by us in the case of Iraq.

Watching it still, around 4:19. Pretty sick how they brainwash the kids. Reminded of Maxim magazine, we should drop a hoard of Xbox 360s over there to let their kids do something better than march around with guns and become future martyrs. Let them hate America on message boards and x-box live.

[Ummon]

Well, watching it now, but I'm glad it makes a distinction between radical and regular.

Not all Germans were Nazis, as well.

[Ahiga]

Not all Germans were Nazis, as well.

And we didn't prosecute every german for the crimes of the Nazis, although they were swept up in the wave the radicals in power were behind.

However as was remarked, where the Germans and Nazis were a centralized power we could overthrow and diminish the power of the ideology, Islamic Radicalism lacks that centralization (Except perhaps to say that Saudi Arabia is the root of this.), so it will be more difficult to defeat than Nazism. Perhaps, a comparison can be made with the Communists, where with the defeat of the Soviet Union, communism lacked a nucleus to radiate out from, and diminished.

[Ummon]

And we didn't prosecute every german for the crimes of the Nazis, although they were swept up in the wave the radicals in power were behind.

But we ended Nazism as an ideology.

[Ahiga]

But we ended Nazism as an ideology.

By Invading and conquering Germany. We've tried that with Iraq and Afghanistan. Didn't work.

Also, Nazism continues as an ideology, but has been neutered. If there's a way to do that with Radical Islam, then that'd be great.

I'm not dismissing Islamic Radicalism, but I am calling into question what I think is the thought of how to fight it.

[Ó Cathasaigh]

He touches on that at about 9 minutes Ahiga.

[Zenith Darksea]

In the end, it will be like with Nazism. Only, a lot worse.

I don't think so. They don't have the technology (yet), the money or the political unity and stability to pose any threat to the entire Western hemisphere. More likely they'd just waste their time butchering each other than anyone else.

[Ummon]

But they have oil, they are here as well, in the west, and the chaos is spreading fast, from Bangladesh to Somalia, from Iraq, to Palestine.

We are less numerous, we are decadent, and we crave our well-being and riches more than we love our freedom. They, on the other hand, are ready to die anytime.

[Zenith Darksea]

But they're not united. That's the key thing. They're split up into a large number of smaller groups, most of which think that, while they do need to commit genocide on the West, first of all they have to get their pseudo (in their view) Islamic rivals out the way.

[Logue]

But they're not united. That's the key thing. They're split up into a large number of smaller groups, most of which think that, while they do need to commit genocide on the West, first of all they have to get their pseudo (in their view) Islamic rivals out the way.

Rather like the gauls vs the romans.

[Ummon]

It is said that someone will come to unite them. I generally don't trust prophecies, yet imagine if some expert of advertisement (like Goebbels) decided to materialise a Mahdi out of nowhere...

[Tom Paine]

It is said that someone will come to unite them. I generally don't trust prophecies, yet imagine if some expert of advertisement (like Goebbels) decided to materialise a Mahdi out of nowhere...

Yes, we'd have a strength in the movement uniting pre-existing followers. However I find it unlikely that new followers would appear, we have our own "Goebbels" aplenty.

[Ummon]

Do we? I do not see anyone trying to smuggle a genocide and describe it as something right here.

Also:

DON'T COMMENT without watching the movie.

I hope you have watched the movie.

[Tom Paine]

No, you don't; but we (in the UK) were sold a false war, as were they in America; we have a habit of believing what comes from the state-owned (ish) news corporation; and so on. Not the same things being covered up, but the same apparatus.

[Ummon]

You were sold a wrong war, which was in any case against a ruthless and genocidal dictator. The worst aspects of Iraq War are strategic and political, not moral.