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    There has been a question asked many times: "Would people that never had the chance to know Jesus go to Hell?" Its a question many find hard to answer, but the answer actually lies in the book of John and is quite clear:

    Quote Originally Posted by John9:34-41
    Jesus heard that they had thrown him out, and when he found him, he said, "Do you believe in the Son of Man?" "Who is he, sir?" the man asked. "Tell me so that I may believe in him." Jesus said, "You have now seen him; in fact, he is the one speaking with you." Then the man said, "Lord, I believe," and he worshipped him. Jesus said, "For judgement I have come into this world, so that the blind will see and those who see will become blind." Some Pharisees who were with him heard him say this and asked, "What? Are we blind too?" Jesus said, "If you were blind, you would not be guilty of sin; but now that you claim you can see, your guilt remains."
    Quite clearly this says that you never had the chance to know of sin then you were not held guilty. Ignorance is an excuse it seems in this case...
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    This does not apply to most of us as we tend all to have heard of Jesus in one way or anouther, there must be a very small minority that have never heard of God, personaly I'm going to hell either way

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    Quote Originally Posted by silver guard
    This does not apply to most of us as we tend all to have heard of Jesus in one way or anouther, there must be a very small minority that have never heard of God, personaly I'm going to hell either way
    And I'd rather go to hell too, at least Satan allows us to have fun... the others will all be in heaven praying, reading the bible, attending sunday school, etc.
    I sin for the good of humankind
    "I praise, I do not reproach, [nihilism's] arrival. I believe it is one of the greatest crises, a moment of the deepest self-reflection of humanity. Whether man recovers from it, whether he becomes master of this crisis, is a question of his strength."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fenris
    And I'd rather go to hell too, at least Satan allows us to have fun... the others will all be in heaven praying, reading the bible, attending sunday school, etc.
    Heaven is hell, in a way. It's mind-numbingly boring.
    Now, Valhalla...that's an afterlife one could look forward to. Fight and eat all day; what man could refuse?

    Quote Originally Posted by DarkKnight
    Why do those Christians keep spreading the word of God then?
    It seems that the best strategy would be to stop the word of God. If we exterminate Christianity then everyone goes to heaven!
    They want all the good chairs for themselves. They grab all the sofas and recliners, while everyone else is either on fire or they suffer a worse fate: aluminum chairs (no back support).
    The wily buggers.
    Last edited by MaximiIian; November 02, 2006 at 12:00 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaximiIian
    Heaven is hell, in a way. It's mind-numbingly boring.
    Now, Valhalla...that's an afterlife one could look forward to. Fight and eat all day; what man could refuse?
    Dont' forget the valkyries! The valkyries man!
    I sin for the good of humankind
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fenris
    Dont' forget the valkyries! The valkyries man!
    Oh, yes of course. The sexy valkyries and the giant root beer fountains*. True paradise.

    * = (cookie for the reference)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fenris
    at least Satan allows us to have fun...
    You, like many others, seem to be confused about this. If Satan is in hell, then he will himself be one of the ones suffering the torments and fire. When we say that hell is Satan's dominion, we don't mean that he has power there, only that he has the power to drag people there who aren't wary enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zenith Darksea
    You, like many others, seem to be confused about this. If Satan is in hell, then he will himself be one of the ones suffering the torments and fire. When we say that hell is Satan's dominion, we don't mean that he has power there, only that he has the power to drag people there who aren't wary enough.
    He incites un to enjoy life, while the other sadic wants us to make it as boring as possible. I wanna go to hell in solidarity for Satan then.

    Or maybe, just maybe, the whole thing is ******** and we all rot in the ground.
    Or maybe I was only metaphorising?
    I sin for the good of humankind
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    Or maybe, just maybe, the whole thing is ******** and we all rot in the ground.
    Just throwing it out there.





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    You do realize that Satan is supposed to torture you in Hell right?? It's not supposed to be fun, but a place of evil and disgust. Heaven is the place where "fun" will be happening because God will feel you are worthy enough to enjoy yourself after a life of hardship.

    Salaam,
    Adnan

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    Quote Originally Posted by MasterAdnin
    You do realize that Satan is supposed to torture you in Hell right?? It's not supposed to be fun, but a place of evil and disgust. Heaven is the place where "fun" will be happening because God will feel you are worthy enough to enjoy yourself after a life of hardship.

    Salaam,
    Adnan
    But why exactly does god wants you to go through a life of hardship? And Satan is my friend, he is just victim of propagandha from god. He's a really nice fellow in reality.
    I sin for the good of humankind
    "I praise, I do not reproach, [nihilism's] arrival. I believe it is one of the greatest crises, a moment of the deepest self-reflection of humanity. Whether man recovers from it, whether he becomes master of this crisis, is a question of his strength."
    -Nietzsche
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    Heaven is the place where "fun" will be happening because God will feel you are worthy enough to enjoy yourself after a life of hardship.
    But if you mess up just like in life, BAM right back down to hell, just ask Satan. Also, i'm amazed human beings know all about what goes on in heaven and hell. I guess god told us..
    If God were a man he'd be me.

    At first i simply observed. But i found that without investment in others, life serves no purpose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Idwayreth
    But if you mess up just like in life, BAM right back down to hell, just ask Satan. Also, i'm amazed human beings know all about what goes on in heaven and hell. I guess god told us..
    Yes you see, god says stuff, but we never hear Satan's version of things you see? god can say whatever he likes and everyone believes him... poor satan...
    I sin for the good of humankind
    "I praise, I do not reproach, [nihilism's] arrival. I believe it is one of the greatest crises, a moment of the deepest self-reflection of humanity. Whether man recovers from it, whether he becomes master of this crisis, is a question of his strength."
    -Nietzsche
    Truth is not a law, a democracy, a book or a norm not even a constitution. Nor can it be read in the stars.

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    Why do those Christians keep spreading the word of God then???????????!

    It seems that the best strategy would be to stop the word of God. If we exterminate Christianity then everyone goes to heaven!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkKnight
    Why do those Christians keep spreading the word of God then???????????!

    It seems that the best strategy would be to stop the word of God. If we exterminate Christianity then everyone goes to heaven!
    Good point, good point! If you keep that secret and let no one knows about it, everyone can enjoy themselves in the mortal life then enjoy themselves in afterlife, right?

    Ohhhh the evil church...
    I sin for the good of humankind
    "I praise, I do not reproach, [nihilism's] arrival. I believe it is one of the greatest crises, a moment of the deepest self-reflection of humanity. Whether man recovers from it, whether he becomes master of this crisis, is a question of his strength."
    -Nietzsche
    Truth is not a law, a democracy, a book or a norm not even a constitution. Nor can it be read in the stars.

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    The root beer thing's from an episode of the The Grim Adventures of Billy & Mandy, a funny show on the CN.
    In that episode, some of Grim's magic messes up, and Billy gets hurled into an alternate dimension, landing in Valhalla. He gets in there, and the gatekeeper explains the situation to him, and then says that "You have unlimited acess to the great rootbeer fountain". Billy immediately runs off and starts guzzling the root beer; the guy goes up to him and says "Come, young viking. You have much to-"
    Billy: "But didn't you say I had unlimited access?"
    Guard: "Yes, but-"
    Billy (matter-of-factly): "I am still accessing!".
    The guard says "Oh, what the heck", and runs off-screen with several vivacious valkyries.

    And mead would nicer. Maybe. Depends on if it's IBC root-beer. I don't really like alcoholic drinks all that much. Most taste nasty. Mead is okay, though, since they use honey to make it. It's a very sweet beverage.

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    Fenris, God wants you to go through hardship to test our faith and loyalty toward him. Those who pass will join God and their hearts desires in Heaven, and those who fail, will be tortured by Satan, for his own amusement.

    Salaam,
    Adnan

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    Quote Originally Posted by MasterAdnin
    Fenris, God wants you to go through hardship to test our faith and loyalty toward him. Those who pass will join God and their hearts desires in Heaven, and those who fail, will be tortured by Satan, for his own amusement.

    Salaam,
    Adnan
    Why does he needs to test us if he loves us all from the purest of love? And you never heard Satan's version of things right? You just assume that god wants our good, that he is perfect, Satan is the bad guy,... how do you know he is not tricking you? How do you know it's not Satan trying to make us spend a boring life praising him and then go to hell to torture us? Not happy of making people suffer in the afterlife, he wants to render the life boring as hell? And god who loves us all never said a word, he actually just wants us to enjoy the life he has given us, until we can come to him in heaven and continue the fun there? But if you don't enjoy your life on earth, you are not worthy of heaven? How do you know?

    And if
    Quite clearly this says that you never had the chance to know of sin then you were not held guilty. Ignorance is an excuse it seems in this case...
    Then why does the church spread the word? They should just hide it so everyone could not be held guilty, as DarkKnight said.
    Last edited by Fenris; November 02, 2006 at 10:06 PM.
    I sin for the good of humankind
    "I praise, I do not reproach, [nihilism's] arrival. I believe it is one of the greatest crises, a moment of the deepest self-reflection of humanity. Whether man recovers from it, whether he becomes master of this crisis, is a question of his strength."
    -Nietzsche
    Truth is not a law, a democracy, a book or a norm not even a constitution. Nor can it be read in the stars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fenris
    Why does he needs to test us if he loves us all from the purest of love? And you never heard Satan's version of things right? You just assume that god wants our good, that he is perfect, Satan is the bad guy,... how do you know he is not tricking you? How do you know it's not Satan trying to make us spend a boring life praising him and then go to hell to torture us? Not happy of making people suffer in the afterlife, he wants to render the life boring as hell? And god who loves us all never said a word, he actually just wants us to enjoy the life he has given us, until we can come to him in heaven and continue the fun there? But if you don't enjoy your life on earth, you are not worthy of heaven? How do you know?
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    You see, there are things we will never understand, the reason for the test of life and faith is one of those things that until we are united with God, we will never understand and know.

    If Satan truly did love you and was the better of the two then why does he encourage things such as killing and hurting others for the benefit of yourself? Unity of the human race is the wish of God, and the destruction of the human race is Satan's wish.

    No, if you reject God and his teachings you are not worthy. You have been given the message reject it for only personal reasons instead of just accepting that God is your creator and in charge, yet you can accept that there are humans in charge of you.

    Salaam,
    Adnan

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    Quote Originally Posted by MasterAdnin
    You see, there are things we will never understand, the reason for the test of life and faith is one of those things that until we are united with God, we will never understand and know.
    We should include this quote in the dictionnary's definition of the term "blind faith".

    If Satan truly did love you and was the better of the two then why does he encourage things such as killing and hurting others for the benefit of yourself?
    Last time I checked, people were doing this under the name of god... not Satan.

    Unity of the human race is the wish of God, and the destruction of the human race is Satan's wish.
    How do you know that? God told you? And did you hear Satan's version of things? Maybe god is just there to turn everyone against the others you know? If that's what he wanted to do, seems like he suceeded...

    No, if you reject God and his teachings you are not worthy.
    Refer to my manifesto.

    You have been given the message reject it for only personal reasons instead of just accepting that God is your creator and in charge, yet you can accept that there are humans in charge of you.
    Which message exactly? The jewish one? The christian one? The muslim one? The buddhist one? The hinduist one? Should I name all the sects also, and all the different cults and pagan religions?

    And I do not accept that there are humans in charge of me...
    I sin for the good of humankind
    "I praise, I do not reproach, [nihilism's] arrival. I believe it is one of the greatest crises, a moment of the deepest self-reflection of humanity. Whether man recovers from it, whether he becomes master of this crisis, is a question of his strength."
    -Nietzsche
    Truth is not a law, a democracy, a book or a norm not even a constitution. Nor can it be read in the stars.

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