Attila Caucasian or Asian?!

[Octavius Vatco]

Attila in Rome I B.I.

He doesn't look hideous at all as an Asiatic. East Asiatics were unusual to Europeans at the time period. The fact that he was hugely dreaded makes his appearance Asian by a big chance.

[Hae_Shin]

I was going to share the same info. Thank you for sharing Priscus's facts earlier. Attila and Huns were obviously Asians as the source indicates.
I felt very awkward when I saw the trailer coz they depicted Attila as a Neanderthal I think...

But the only 3 preserved hunnic words are indo-european - strava, medos and I can't remember the third one. Makes the whole topic even more puzzling. And Turkic, I guess you mean, not Turkish.
It's all highly speculative. Were the Xhiong-hu the original Huns or did they just displaced their neighbours to the west and thus beginning the snowballing effect which reached the Roman empire? Who knows.. I hope the Hunnic army roster includes Goths, Nomads, Slavs, etc. - will be a great faction to play with/against. Kind of like Bactria in Rome II - quality cavalry with a good mix of infantry.

@Avetis: Where is this wax statue from? Hungary?
Looks like how proto-Bulgarians were portrayed during the Soviet era. Caucasian face with semi-squinted eyes and facial hair like Jafar from Disney's Aladin

How do you claim that the Hunnic words known are all Indo European?

Suggest you to read this article : Pritsak, Omeljan. 1982. The Hunnic Language of the Attila Clan. Harvard Ukrainian Studies, 6: 428-476.

[Destraex]

From the same source so do not pin me on this, you know better

Roman writer Priscus/Jordanes describes Attila[1][2] thusly:

"Short of stature, with a broad chest and a large head; his eyes were small, his beard thin and sprinkled with grey; and he had a flat nose and tanned skin, showing evidence of his origin."

It is either a dwarf or clearly asian description to me (caucasian normally have small head)

Lol. Caucasians have the same size heads as everybody else... Or bigger. Its just the bodies that are in better proportion to the head. Much like a donkeys head would be big and mongol where a race horses head would be Caucasian. Wwhich has thhe bigger head?

P.s. I think attila was probably mongoloid. Iirc desscribed at one stage ass being the ugliest people on earth. A by word for ugliness ever since. Perhaps this referred to them being mixed like a dog bitsa.

[Tripledot]

Was Attila from the Caucasus? If not, he probably wasn't a Caucasian.

[Hae_Shin]

Also the ethnographic stuff sucks. The clothing, hairstyle and armours... I think the producers are a fan of BBC's inaccurate Attila documentary.

@Destraex
It's obvious that Mongoloid race have rounder and bigger head size.

[Magister Militum Flavius Aetius]

We only know the Hunnic Language from their names. The "three hunnic words" have all been proven to be Gothic, with Strava being Slavic. Maenchen-Helfen showed that in his On the World of the Huns.

They are Strava, a Slavic word regarding Burial Processions, Medos, which I don't remember what it means, and Kamas, a Gothic word for a kind of drink where beer is mixed with milk.

The Hun Language is Lir-Turkic, and other than Chuvash, only fragments of this language survive. Oghur Turkic and Hunnic may have in fact been the same language.

Here are a few known Hunnic prefixes/suffixes/names (from Helfen, 1973):

-ik: the leader of a Hunnic group. The Al-ik was the leader of the Akatir Huns (Priscus' Acatziri)
-cur: A commander, with -gur indicating a Tribune-like rank and -zur indicating a Dux-like rank.
-juq: A standard bearer.

Here's a breakdown:

Dengzich = Daniz-ik
Uldin = Ultzin, which probably means leader of the Ultinzur Huns
Mundzuk = Munjuq

There are a myriad of others, like Bas-ik, etc.

[PlPs]

Hunnic Language is belong to Turkic language family. Like already mentioned by Magister, it was a Lir-Turkic language

Btw, meanings of those 3 words;

Dengzich means "Little Sea" in Turkic
Uldin or Uldiz means "Star" in Turkic
Mundzuk or Munjuq means "Bead" in Turkic

[Hresvelgr]

They are Strava, a Slavic word regarding Burial Processions, Medos, which I don't remember what it means, and Kamas, a Gothic word for a kind of drink where beer is mixed with milk.

Doesn't medos just mean mead?

And I'm starting to feel alone in this, but I still don't see how Attila in the trailer doesn't look Asian at all. I still think he looks like a plausible Hun, I don't think CA is ignoring that they're Turkic or something at all.

[Joar]

Doesn't medos just mean mead?

And I'm starting to feel alone in this, but I still don't see how Attila in the trailer doesn't look Asian at all. I still think he looks like a plausible Hun

I agree. I think they've done a good job, and it fits well with the descriptions we have of him ( small eyes, flat nose, tanned skin, and a thin beard sprinkled with grey ).

[Ganossa]

I agree. I think they've done a good job, and it fits well with the descriptions we have of him ( small eyes, flat nose, tanned skin, and a thin beard sprinkled with grey ).

But what about the big chest and head? Also I dont think his eyes are small o_O but maybe thats just me.

So maybe more like this::

[with my limited paint skills ]

[Hae_Shin]

He looks more like a Neanderthal ...

[Tureuki]

Hunnic Language is belong to Turkic language family. Like already mentioned by Magister, it was a Lir-Turkic language

Btw, meanings of those 3 words;

Dengzich means "Little Sea" in Turkic
Uldin or Uldiz means "Star" in Turkic
Mundzuk or Munjuq means "Bead" in Turkic

Ellac= Illig, means country owner.
Charaton= Karaton, means black dressed, might mean black armored as well.
Alp Ilutuer of the Caucasian Huns = Alp means hero, warrior and Ilteber is a Turkic lesser ruler title.

Ernach is probably Turkic as well, Er means "man" or "warrior", a common pre suffix in Turkic names, like the father of Osman I "Ertughrul" , not sure about nach.

[Aura]

In original version of this image Attila really looks like a Germanic King more then a Hunnic Warlord.( Especially his eyes. )

He also reminded me Rollo Lothbrok from Vikings TV series so with my Photoshop skills I tried to do something different hope you enjoy fellow Total War players.

[Nizam]

Seems better. Good job. btw you are right.

[ikooo123]

Good

[Usmisustal]

Good

yes it is better than original

[forever_ducale]

Great

[Yohussub]

shouldn't be like chinese eyes but way better

[Aura]

It is not Chinese it is Altaic.

[russianlord26]

Looks great!!