History: Fiction or Science?: A total bullcrap?

[Juggernaut]

Have anyone read this book?
I knew about this book recently and I am sort of interested...
Is it worth reading?
http://www.amazon.com/History-Fictio...283155&s=books
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Chr..._%28Fomenko%29

[mike^_^]

i saw this clip whilst browsing google video the other day

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...37217655382635

suprised to see this thread, quite wierd.

anyway it sounds like total ********. atleast the impression from that clip, the claims made in the clip are from some "leading mathemetician" and some ******** with constellations? i don't even know what thats supposed to mean

haven't read the book though, or even heard of it save from this clip. I was actually trying to find the history channel : barbarians thing.

[Idwayreth]

There's just way too much evidence to debunk his outrageous claims.

[Ulf]

looks like somebody just wants attention/money.

[Turkeys!]

How come there was a lotr picture in that clip [mikes clip]

[Sephynos]

looks like somebody just wants attention/money.

I think you're right!!
That book is total nonsense ...

[Juggernaut]

I just think its silly that some clergy from 17th century came with all the works of Homer, Euripides, Sophocles, Aristophanes, Plato, Aristotle, Livy, Polybius, Caesar, Cicero, Virgil, Seneca and all the others just to make up their "own history" and burried all those archeological evidence all around europe and middle east, but I still think some of the points he raised is interesting, like the unreliableness of endrochronology,astronomical evidence and carbon dating.

[Timmius]

i saw this clip whilst browsing google video the other day

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...37217655382635

suprised to see this thread, quite wierd.

anyway it sounds like total ********. atleast the impression from that clip, the claims made in the clip are from some "leading mathemetician" and some ******** with constellations? i don't even know what thats supposed to mean

haven't read the book though, or even heard of it save from this clip. I was actually trying to find the history channel : barbarians thing.

lol there are elves from middle earth in the russian army.

[Sidus Preclarum]

it wouldn't surprise me to learn that this Anatoly Fomenko is a regular contributor to the Pravda.ru ...

[Juggernaut]

I'd like the people to read the wiki, http://www.worldagesarchive.com/Indi...hronology.html and http://www.univer.omsk.su/foreign/fom/fom.htm before posting "OMG this is nuts" type of comment for I cannot refute some their points.
Maybe history IS shorter then what most people believe.
Not in thousands of years, but perhaps by hundreds of years.
And I think Fomenk has spent far too much dedication for a simple attention/money making.

[ThiudareiksGunthigg]

Maybe history IS shorter then what most people believe.
Not in thousands of years, but perhaps by hundreds of years.

And maybe the Earth is actually flat. Or hollow. There are kooks and fringe theorists who believe both, but no credible scholar takes them or their "arguments" seriously. Ditto for Fomenko.

What does that say to you? That every historian and archaeologist on the planet is wrong and this mathematician is right?

And I think Fomenk has spent far too much dedication for a simple attention/money making.

There are plenty of kooks who get an idea and then go off in search of anything and everything that might support it. Few of them are doing it for attention or to make money. Just because they are sincere and genuinely convinced of their kookery doesn't make their ideas any less kooky.

And there's one word which pretty much kicks Fomenko's kookery to pieces - "dendochronology". Tree rings in bristlecone pines dating back thousands of years are a bit hard to fake.

The Skeptic published a good analysis of why Fomenko's "theory" is crap a few years ago: "Who Lost the Middle Ages?".

[Jan Taihwo]

And I think Fomenk has spent far too much dedication for a simple attention/money making.

Belive me, there are people *cough*Dan Brown*cough* who dedicate much time into something just to get money/attention...


*What a coincidence.. I just noticed ThiudareiksGunthigg sig.

[Farnan]

Some people you just have to nod your head to when they talk to you and secretly laugh in your mind at the utter bullcrap they spew out...

[Juggernaut]

And maybe the Earth is actually flat. Or hollow. There are kooks and fringe theorists who believe both, but no credible scholar takes them or their "arguments" seriously. Ditto for Fomenko.

What does that say to you? That every historian and archaeologist on the planet is wrong and this mathematician is right?



There are plenty of kooks who get an idea and then go off in search of anything and everything that might support it. Few of them are doing it for attention or to make money. Just because they are sincere and genuinely convinced of their kookery doesn't make their ideas any less kooky.

And there's one word which pretty much kicks Fomenko's kookery to pieces - "dendochronology". Tree rings in bristlecone pines dating back thousands of years are a bit hard to fake.

The Skeptic published a good analysis of why Fomenko's "theory" is crap a few years ago: "Who Lost the Middle Ages?".

I never said I believe this guy.
In fact, as I allready said, I think he is dead wrong.
All I am saying is he has some interesting points.
Just because a theory sound hookey, we shouldn't ignore of it.

[therussian]

This is beyond the point of believable hookiness

[John I Tzimisces]

This guy has a degree? Why don't *I* have a degree?! :O

[Beetlecat]

Belive me, there are people *cough*Dan Brown*cough* who dedicate much time into something just to get money/attention...

You don't think there's quite a bit of difference between the two books / authors?

[Fuhrer Euik]

I think that guy is nucking futs. 'Nuff said.

[Garbarsardar]

I never said I believe this guy.
In fact, as I allready said, I think he is dead wrong.
All I am saying is he has some interesting points.
Just because a theory sound hookey, we shouldn't ignore of it.

What is the interesting point?

Even if we disregard all speculation about his motives, his work is fiction and there is much better fiction out there. I would say that a well written historical book (like "The Meditarrenean" of Braudel) can overcome conceptual and methodological flaws and seduce the reader.

Here the seduction comes-once more-from the promise of apocalypse. And that hints at the common denominator of the ephemeral glory of such efforts. The readers believe that if "everything is a lie" (insert event from Atlantis to the Kennedy assasination) this, somehow, will restore the lost sense of control over their own lives. I would rather call it a short term psychosis for lack of a better term. And as soon as the product has made his financial cycle, there will be another one to fill the gap.

[ThiudareiksGunthigg]

I never said I believe this guy.
In fact, as I allready said, I think he is dead wrong.

BUt ended your post by saying "Maybe history IS shorter then what most people believe ... " etc, as though this idea is actually worth serious consideration.

All I am saying is he has some interesting points.

Such as? His "theory" seems useful mainly as an example of how not to research an idea - starting with "Don't try overturning the whole basis of a field you have no training in" and moving to "Assuming your own conclusion will regularly end with a nonsense result"

Just because a theory sound hookey, we shouldn't ignore of it.

No, we shouldn't ignore a theory just because it sounds like nonsense. But when it's been examined by experts, exposed as nonsense and totally rejected, well then that's a very good point to ignore it. That's the point this kook's theory reached some time ago. Which is why it's worth ignoring.