CTD after Auto-Resolving a battle. (I think it could be Minor Settlements)

As Carthage, I am trying to take out the Numidian faction before they can grown. I auto-resolve and win, click "Sack" option for the resolution for the capture and then... CTD
This has happened numerous times.
What I haven't done: Taken out all of the Armies in the Minor Settlements...

I don't know WHY this should be a problem, since I don't recall it being a problem in Britania with the Forts... But I'll go try and see if it's resolved after capturing all the Minor settlements.
(Even if it is, if the AI can cause this issue too I think the game might eventually become unplayable.. Just a matter of time)

I'll have to check my theory tomorrow though, for now I sleep.

Hm, I don't think it's going to be an issue with uncaptured minor forts.

Does this happen whether or not you click 'sack'? i.e, select another option? Does this happen if you manage to lose the battle? (in console, auto_win defender)

Actually, I semi take that back. If Numidia has armies in their minor forts the game might be thinking the faction has survived. When I played as Pergamon, I took out the Getai's Faction Leader + Heir in one battle, evidently the were the only family members. The Getai still had settlements, and the battle resulted in CTD.

If this is repeatable (sounds like it is), the savegame would be helpful to discover the cause.

Originally Posted by bovi

If this is repeatable (sounds like it is), the savegame would be helpful to discover the cause.

Hmm, oddly the Saves folder is Empty. I've tried hunting around the files but can't find anything... I've never tried to find a Savegame for Medieval 2, is it being hidden anywhere special?
I thought it'd be in the saves folder in the EBII Mod Folder but it seems not...

I haven't tried the campaign yet today, unfortunately, due to personal things, so I'm sorry I can't report on that yet... I can tell you I'm not far into the game though. I might start a new one and play up till that point again and try it... I could also try my British Campaign and see if it has the same error when I do get around to it. (I can pretty much wipe the Arverni out rather quickly as is in that game.)

PS: I tried a bit of the British and Indian factions previously, I got an option to build the Field Games but the descr said I should Report that if I saw it.

If you can't find your savegame, chances are you've installed the game under Program Files. Don't do that.

Originally Posted by bovi

If you can't find your savegame, chances are you've installed the game under Program Files. Don't do that.

Program Files (x86) is where all of my other mods installed to fine, and was the default location for the Install as per the Automatic Installer and where the Medieval Total War II game itself was installed...
Is that the wrong place?

That said, I might be using a Copied series of game-files from a copy of Medieval II Gold that I uninstalled another mod from. Maybe the Uninstall messed it up? (it worked fine when I installed other mods ontop of it, I've used it as a base for some time now).. (Have 5 copies of the game for different mods in my Documents that I change between. I could have sworn I replaced the Medieval 2 Total War Copy with my most recent reinstall of the game, which came after I had issues running vanilla with the uninstalled version... But I might not have replaced it like I thought I did... But I think I have.)

Also, Alex says he had a similar problem the Getai (albeit under different circumstances)... And other than those things the game plays fine. (No problem with Rebels, just factions with only one Territory left)

As I said before I'm going to go try again, right now... If the British Campaign does the same, and the Minor Settlements being taken first don't change things, I'll do a Fresh Install of Medieval II Gold and try a reinstall of the mod.

Alright so... THIS time I did it successfully... The Numidians went running in their Hoard...
So... It also worked on my British campaign with the Sweboz...

Maybe it's because it was too early? I took their City on Turn 2... I'm so confused right now.
Gonna try waiting ONE additional turn in my original save to see if that changes anything.

On turn 3 I meant... Alright, so... It's working fine now...
Why is it working fine now? I am so confused...

Twice in a row it crashed, now for the past 4 attempts it's been fine... Even without the Minor-Settlements being taken.
How can that be? Literally all I did was start up a campaign in a different faction on another day first, and then try again... :/

Anyways it seems to have solved itself for now... I am still baffled though.

The cause could be some trait trigger. Many of them have less than 100% chance to take effect, and it could explain the crash twice and then no crash later (only taking effect when the game crashed). The savegame could be useful to experiment with, but as you're incapable of finding it, it can't be helped.

Because you have installed under Program Files, Windows is "protecting your file system" by stuffing the save files to a Virtual Store somewhere in its innards. M2TW has several weird and obscure misbehaviours when installed under Program Files. Avoid it.

Originally Posted by bovi

The cause could be some trait trigger. Many of them have less than 100% chance to take effect, and it could explain the crash twice and then no crash later (only taking effect when the game crashed). The savegame could be useful to experiment with, but as you're incapable of finding it, it can't be helped.

Because you have installed under Program Files, Windows is "protecting your file system" by stuffing the save files to a Virtual Store somewhere in its innards. M2TW has several weird and obscure misbehaviours when installed under Program Files. Avoid it.

Any suggestions? I've only ever ran the Default Install so I'm not sure how to do it properly in a way that will work.

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Uninstall the game first.

It asks you where to install it. (You may need to select "custom setup" or a similar option.) Point it to the root; ie C:\Medieval II Total War instead of C:\Program Files (x86)\.....
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Originally Posted by Mouzafphaerre

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Uninstall the game first.

It asks you where to install it. (You may need to select "custom setup" or a similar option.) Point it to the root; ie C:\Medieval II Total War instead of C:\Program Files (x86)\.....
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Uninstalled, Reinstalled, now it won't launch at all. (I installed the mod to the right place...)
Tried Running as an Admin, nothing. Well I say nothing, it said that it couldn't find the Med II exe when I tried running as Admin...
It's all in the right place. I even deleted the SEGA folder in Program Files to be safe...

To be fair I did that after I installed... Not that I see that mattering, but now that the thought's hit me I'll try reinstalling the Mod again.

Still not working.

Ah crap, I forgot to patch to 1.5 after reinstall. Might be the problem.

That is definitely a problem.

It worked, but only as a small window... When I tried starting it back up later it crashed again. (This is after patching)
I'll just go back to the Program Files location after another uninstall. Slightly-Buggy EB II/Medieval 2 is better than No EB II at all. LOL

Stainless Steel is working fine with the new directory though... Thanks for all the attempts at help guys, but I'll just be leaving this mod till it's in a more stable and final state.

Originally Posted by SargonTheDude

Stainless Steel is working fine with the new directory though... Thanks for all the attempts at help guys, but I'll just be leaving this mod till it's in a more stable and final state.

In fairness, once you resolve the installation problems, the mod is CTD-free for most people. The reason we recommend NOT to use the default "Program Files" installation directory is just what bovi said, You will get CTDs that nobody else does, and will assume the problem is with the mod instead of (often) the real reason - M2TW and Windows not "playing well" together.