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    According to data recently released by the Organization for Co-operation and Development (OECD), more than half of Russian adults held tertiary degrees in 2012 -- the equivalent of college degree in the United States -- more than in any other country reviewed. Meanwhile, less than 4% of Chinese adults had tertiary qualifications in 2012, less than in any other country. 24/7 Wall St. reviewed the 10 countries with the highest proportion of adults holding a college degree.

    The most educated populations tend to be in countries where tertiary education spending is among the highest. Tertiary education spending in six of the most educated countries was higher than the OECD average of $13,957. Spending on tertiary education in the U.S., for example, was $26,021 per student, by far the most in the world.

    According to Andreas Schleicher, director for education skills at the OECD, education in the U.S. has become much more expensive, and student debt burdens have reached troubling levels in recent years. Despite these facts, it is still considered a good investment, as U.S. residents with higher degrees earn substantially more than their less educated peers.

    It is also a worthwhile investment for the government. Schleicher explained that “taxpayers in the U.S. get $200,000 more out of every graduate than what they actually invested, so it’s a good business for the government as well.”

    Despite the value of investing in education, there are exceptions. Korea and the Russian Federation both spent less than $10,000 on tertiary education per student in 2011, considerably lower than the OECD average. Yet, they still have among the most educated populations.

    Qualifications do not always translate into stronger skills. While only 1 in 4 of U.S. college graduates reach the top-end of literacy skill, more than 35% reach that level in Finland, Japan, and the Netherlands. As Schleicher explained, “We typically describe people by their formal qualifications, but this data suggests that the skill value of formal qualifications vary considerably across countries.”

    Nevertheless, countries with strong higher education systems tend to have higher levels of advanced skills. Roughly 12% of adults across the OECD performed at the highest literacy proficiency level in 2012. The percentage of adults performing at the highest literacy level exceeded that figure in five of the most educated countries.

    Those higher skills may be paying off for residents. Only Ireland had an unemployment rate higher than the OECD rate of 7.5% in 2012. According to Schleicher, this relationship may also work the other way around because those who are employed are far more likely to pursue higher education and training. Unfortunately, this means “those who need life-long learning the most actually get the least out of it.”

    To identify the most educated countries in the world, 24/7 Wall St. reviewed the 10 countries with the highest proportions of residents aged 25 to 64 with a tertiary education in 2012. These data were included as part of the OECD’s 2014 Education at a Glance report. The countries considered included the 34 OECD member countries, and ten non-OECD nations. Included in the report were data on the proportion of adults completing various levels of education, unemployment rates, as well as public and private education expenditure. We also reviewed data from the OECD’s Survey of Adult Skills, which included advanced adult proficiency in both math and reading. The most current figures for education expenditure by country are from 2011.

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    They had the most MD's during the cold war too, but they were all awful.

    The metric should be quality, and good luck working that out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phier View Post
    They had the most MD's during the cold war too, but they were all awful.

    The metric should be quality, and good luck working that out.
    In that case the US comes even worse off. I know for a fact that in engineering, most US colleges have an easy curriculum along with plenty multiple choice test compared to European schools.

    As for Russian graduates being awful,,, Well crap then you should run right now to the telephone and warn the top US universities that their Russian staff is awful and not up to standard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nikitn View Post
    In that case the US comes even worse off. I know for a fact that in engineering, most US colleges have an easy curriculum along with plenty multiple choice test compared to European schools.
    I can't speak for all schools but for mine, you couldn't be more wrong I think the administration played a game of how many students they could fail out, and no, their tests outside of the very basic liberal arts requirements were not multiple choice. My fraternity was about 50% engineering majors 25% pre-med and the rest whatever, until junior/senior year, suddenly the ratio was more like 20% engineering and a whole lot more poly sci and history majors

    One of my research mentors was a brilliant man from the Netherlands, and he came to the US to get his physics degree because of how poor the higher education was Europe by comparison.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phier View Post
    I can't speak for all schools but for mine, you couldn't be more wrong I think the administration played a game of how many students they could fail out, and no, their tests outside of the very basic liberal arts requirements were not multiple choice. My fraternity was about 50% engineering majors 25% pre-med and the rest whatever, until junior/senior year, suddenly the ratio was more like 20% engineering and a whole lot more poly sci and history majors
    It doesn't really say much as there can be many explanations for this. For instance, US high schools are really so applicants are often chosen based on having good contacts (at least for the Ivy Leagues) instead of merit cause so many people got straight A's. Or maybe the administration is horrible and doesn't care.

    I like to use MIT's videos and study material, and what I see is that the pace is slower and the material is often easier (though granted I go to an old style institution) than in my university (though granted it is the oldest and most difficult engineering school in norway). This also fits with what I've heard from American exchange students and students who've studied in the US.

    One of my research mentors was a brilliant man from the Netherlands, and he came to the US to get his physics degree because of how poor the higher education was Europe by comparison.
    Is that what he told you? The USA is a huge country with a large and indistrious scientific community. Perhaps he moved simply because his field of interest was more developed in your uni?

    Or perhaps it's got to do with other things: The main problem for the Russian scientific community, for instance, is red tape and lack of money/interest.

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    I was expecting Cuba to be honest. I hear Castro used to boast that even their prostitutes had university degrees.
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    I hear Castro used to boast that even their prostitutes had university degrees.
    Citation needed.Anyway, In Cuba, literacy is at 99.8%. In the US, According to a study conducted in late April by the U.S. Department of Education and the National Institute of Literacy, 32 million adults in the U.S. can't read. That's 14 percent of the population.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ludicus View Post
    Citation needed.Anyway, In Cuba, literacy is at 99.8%. In the US, According to a study conducted in late April by the U.S. Department of Education and the National Institute of Literacy, 32 million adults in the U.S. can't read. That's 14 percent of the population.

    Does that take into account non-English native speakers?

    Probably a lot in California and southern border states alone that can't read English but can read their native language.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ludicus View Post
    Citation needed.Anyway, In Cuba, literacy is at 99.8%. In the US, According to a study conducted in late April by the U.S. Department of Education and the National Institute of Literacy, 32 million adults in the U.S. can't read. That's 14 percent of the population.
    Right, 19% of high school graduates cannot read...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ludicus View Post
    Citation needed.Anyway, In Cuba, literacy is at 99.8%. In the US, According to a study conducted in late April by the U.S. Department of Education and the National Institute of Literacy, 32 million adults in the U.S. can't read. That's 14 percent of the population.
    You really should find the original source since w/o any links its not exactly clear what they mean or what Cuba is reporting for example either.

    In this case I not sure I can find the original study/study being cited but here a similar one and one point is very much clear...

    http://nces.ed.gov/programs/digest/d...s/dt12_450.asp

    ... that what is meant is literacy in English and even that is broken into different groups and categories. Since Cuba is not as far as I know a great bastion of immigrants, its system faces neither the difficulty of people who might be literate in their own language but not in Spanish, and many who might just decide to depend on the kids for translations and otherwise live in an ethnic neighborhood. So are we counting all Literate people? Or just English in your link?

    Something like 25 million people where foreign born according to the US last census which means they were likely adults and that surly under counts illegal immigrants who are likely did not have access to a fine education in Spanish and or English before they got here nor good access to school after.
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    Also various "feminism/equality studies" garbage degrees are less popular in Russia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heathen Hammer View Post
    Also various "feminism/equality studies" garbage degrees are less popular in Russia.
    That actually explains a tremendous amount about Russian society and its terrible demographics.


    Perhaps the only quantifiable metric of quality of education is innovation and competition in any nations economy. There is a reason why emerging economies and economies based primarily on energy exports are at the bottom of those lists despite pushing so many people through school.

    Those also tend to be the countries involved in massive IP theft.
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    That actually explains a tremendous amount about Russian society and its terrible demographics.
    How? That people have less children because they prefer real degrees to the ones focused on medieval poetry and other artsy stuff?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heathen Hammer View Post
    How? That people have less children because they prefer real degrees to the ones focused on medieval poetry and other artsy stuff?
    How is it in Canada? Is everyone around you taking "artsy" degrees? What are you majoring in?

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    How? That people have less children because they prefer real degrees to the ones focused on medieval poetry and other artsy stuff?
    I sort of agree with your main point, but medieval poetry and other artsy stuff also has its place, problem is, has its place but would require much less students than what they actually have, many of students of such fields are people who wanted to run away from mathematics and would accept anything that would allow them to escape from maths while having partying bachelor life rather than people who had a legit interest on the area of study...

    For people majored in such type of artsy stuff, it would require both, a lower number of graduates, to avoid market oversaturation, and better quality of the source of students...

    So in practical terms I agree with you but for different theorical reasons. Well just my 5 cents.
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    Education is data without context.

    Practical experience, observation and application of knowledge is a real factor.

    Regardless of country to many experts either misinterpreted their findings or they are not allowed to act on their observations due to funding or pressure that the vogue idea is right.

    The hardest thing to do is get recognition for an unfashionable discovery when money is being made doing the opposite.

    Also just because someone has a qualification does not make the qualification relevant. Ten years ago Universities were offering courses on David Beckham studies or the Beatles. Doesn't mean that the qualification is worth anything to humanity.



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    congratulations to Russia, most tertiary degrees in the world, but an increasing outflow of professionals and the wealthy, a government hijacked by ex-KGB gangsters, a warmonger dictator who's tiptoeing around Russia's term limits by using his faithful lapdog Medvedev as a metaphorical comma in his reign (and using him to concoct new laws that extend the term), as well as decaying civil liberties and media freedoms, making NATO relevant again, and turning the country into a diplomatic pariah cheered on by the likes of North Korea and Syria, an economy entering a negative growth cycle with huge inflation, and still being slapped by EU sanctions, and worsening living conditions. but at least you don't have the gays being affectionate in public!
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    I am rather skeptic to whatever the tertiary degrees really are equivalent in the compared countries.

    In my experience subjects such as maths, physics and programming are actually quite elitist in Russia and only the best students will be accepted to such programs. After the fall of the Soviet Union many of these specialists moved to Sweden and I am personally grateful for that as many of my best teachers came from Russia, Ukraine and Poland.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adar View Post
    I am rather skeptic to whatever the tertiary degrees really are equivalent in the compared countries.

    In my experience subjects such as maths, physics and programming are actually quite elitist in Russia and only the best students will be accepted to such programs. After the fall of the Soviet Union many of these specialists moved to Sweden and I am personally grateful for that as many of my best teachers came from Russia, Ukraine and Poland.
    We have quite a few Ukranian Imigrants here in Portugal and i must say, Ukranian kids are generaly the best students or among the ones , with better grades usualy, and Study methodology, even in Portuguese language class they shine, where other kids including Portuguese are not so bright at times.
    It has alot to do with their background education in home and learning/studying methodology.

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    In absolute numbers, I think we'll get swamped by India and China.

    You could break this into economics, the return of investment to the GDP, and if that additional education makes the graduates better citizens.
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