ISIL War in Iraq and Syria

[Flavius Julius Nepos Augustus]

What would happen? i'll tell ya

Getting looted by JAN and then pray that one of their crazies won't smuggle it out of the country and start hitting civilian airliners, or even better downing USAF aircraft.
When are people are going to realize when sending weapons to the ''rebels'' will only backfire?

Southern Aleppo operations will resume in the coming days, major reinforcements have arrived to Al-Hadher. Guess that ceasefire breach by ''rebels'' have backfired

Crazy things actualy. USA kills Nusra leader + others in a bombardment. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...-qaeda-leader/
Do the Americanos here think that Nusra takes this a joke and carry on their fight as if nothing happened. Nusra is everywhere North- and South-Syria. They ghave the power and all it takes to capture those 'modern' manpads. But it doesn't matter. They have quite a few MANPADS (they claimed). But only used two. They can smuggle it to Jordan or Turkey and then American Airlines flight XXX comes over to land and BOOM. It is still Al-Qaida.

Not to mention how much hate some rebels feel because the west let them down.

But hey why worry?! Those MANPADS in Afghanistan didn't backfire right? Or in a way they did. It is now more clear than ever that certain people realy like to gamble... for what goal?

[Mary The Quene]

Crazy things actualy. USA kills Nusra leader + others in a bombardment. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...-qaeda-leader/
Do the Americanos here think that Nusra takes this a joke and carry on their fight as if nothing happened. Nusra is everywhere North- and South-Syria. They ghave the power and all it takes to capture those 'modern' manpads. But it doesn't matter. They have quite a few MANPADS (they claimed). But only used two. They can smuggle it to Jordan or Turkey and then American Airlines flight XXX comes over to land and BOOM. It is still Al-Qaida.

Not to mention how much hate some rebels feel because the west let them down.

But hey why worry?! Those MANPADS in Afghanistan didn't backfire right? Or in a way they did. It is now more clear than ever that certain people realy like to gamble... for what goal?

And i can already see the pathetic excuses of those idiots who gave the ''rebels'' those MANPADS, ''but not our fault,, we didn't gave it to JAN'' while knowing that JAN is basically looting others whenever they like.
RIP to the pilot Khaled Al-Sa'id, a Sunni man from Latakia city.

[snuggans]

blah blah blah, pro-Assad pro-Iran posters lecturing on how giving manpads to their enemies is a bad idea for us, a likely story

btw good strike from the coalition on al-nusra, didn't even need to cluster bomb entire Idlib countryside for two weeks to get him too. Kremlin needs to take note how real countries fight terrorism

still i say that we should be giving them a couple of manpads, those Hinds and Syrian choppers like to fly very low and slow sometimes, give them traceable ammunition

the rebels on the ground need to start getting a heads-up on clearing out the sky before Hillary takes control and institutes a no-fly zone, i think Putin might have wanted to pack his crap and get out before 2017

[Mithradates]

Its called "common sense", you dont give this kind of dangerous stuff to people you dont trust.

[Vanoi]

What would happen? i'll tell ya

Getting looted by JAN and then pray that one of their crazies won't smuggle it out of the country and start hitting civilian airliners, or even better downing USAF aircraft.
When are people are going to realize when sending weapons to the ''rebels'' will only backfire?

It only backfired when it was sent to isolated groups of a few dozen men or hundred men. Weapons sent to the Southern front never fell in JAN hands nor have the weapons sent to the SDF.

The Syrians can resume their offensive, its only going to hurt Assad.

But hey why worry?! Those MANPADS in Afghanistan didn't backfire right? Or in a way they did. It is now more clear than ever that certain people realy like to gamble... for what goal?

Did it backfire flavius? To my knowledge, American stingers left over from Afghanistan never caused any problems nor could they anymore.

[Flavius Julius Nepos Augustus]

Did it backfire flavius? To my knowledge, American stingers left over from Afghanistan never caused any problems nor could they anymore.

Some nasty people walked out of this war (and set up camp in Afghanistan) because they were supported by the USA .. setting the stage for ^

But give them the MANPADS just do it, Hillary!!!!!!!!!!!

WHATCOULDGOWRONG?

So just say it clear for ever: What is the priority: the fall of Assad, a dictator who can't touch Israel. Or Al-Nusra, directy linked to Al-Qaida and a closet ISIS organisation, wich ideology has the potential to spread far beond the Syrian border? Name one of the two.

It has always be funny to me. I and Julia Domna have always been warning you about the FSA and how they are a puppet to Al-Nusra and aren't friends with YPG. Late 2015 proved us right,again. And now you support SDF wich is fine.

Advice for the USA policymakers: choose one path not 5 at the same time.
Now you want to remove Assad, remove jihadists among rebels, defeat ISIS,remove shia forces in iraq (but end ip un Syria), give the Kurds some areas but at the same time keep Erdogan happy. And what of the above is working? NONE

P.S. if you wonder why I post in this way. It is because ot is appealing to the eye and makes posting a lot more fun

[Harith]

Kurdish movement in Syria is not gonig after a Kurdish national state. It is against a centralist nation state.

As if. They cannot profess their desire for a Kurdish state because if they do so, Turkey will be in Rojava the next day.

In addition, they need time to rebuild the vital infrastructure and organize their security forces from a guerrilla force into a conventional force. They will also require security infrastructure and diplomatic reach to ensure no veto in the UN. So, in the meantime they will remain part of Syria due to economic and security benefits. However, once they are self-sufficient and have the green light from the P5 (no Veto), they will secede.

Finally, we have a federal model (Iraq) and the Kurds are now allegedly going to hold a referendum for independence. While I think it's a bluff, it nevertheless goes to show that their long-term goal is an independent Kurdish state.

Make no mistake that the Kurds in Syria loath being called Syrians (especially after years of systemic discrimination and marginalization).

[Vanoi]

Some nasty people walked out of this war (and set up camp in Afghanistan) because they were supported by the USA .. setting the stage for ^

Al-Qaeda was never supported by the US. Even Al-Qaeda's current leader admits that. And the Pakistanis who ran the war.

Its a really big stretch to claim the US supplying Pakistanis who supplied Afghan rebels with Singers as the reason 9/11 happened. The Soviets didn't lose the war in Afghanistan because of Stinger missiles.

Now are you going to show me an incident in which US-supplied Stingers has caused some from of trouble in the world?

So just say it clear for ever: What is the priority: the fall of Assad, a dictator who can't touch Israel. Or Al-Nusra, directy linked to Al-Qaida and a closet ISIS organisation, wich ideology has the potential to spread far beond the Syrian border? Name one of the two.

This is called the either-or fallacy. Why can't there be a Syria free of Assad and Al-nusra? Russia certainly believes its possible.

It has always be funny to me. I and Julia Domna have always been warning you about the FSA and how they are a puppet to Al-Nusra and aren't friends with YPG. Late 2015 proved us right,again. And now you support SDF wich is fine.

Lol the FSA are puppets of Al-Nusra now? Man i would love to see this proof. Dont' confuse my support for the SDF as me not supporting the FSA. I support the SDf becayuse thye have the bets chance to make sure there is an Assad-free Syria. I still support the FSA in the South.

[Flavius Julius Nepos Augustus]

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I am not going to bother anymore because you are not replying to what I am saying.

* I didn't say stingers were used outside Afghanistan. But I am certain they will cause trouble this time + they played an important role but if you don't want to see that..fine
*Assad can be removed but does Vlad want to remove the system?
* You may support understrength divisions as much as you want. I hope it makes you happy.

But can't you realy see that MANPADS are a crazy idea?

Btw the ceasefire in southern syria (Daraa) is holding so I don't see the need for MANPADS there. It would only give the rebels moral to restart the fight.

[snuggans]

looks like FSA is trying to run along the Turkish border looking to cut off the crossings

meanwhile daesh gets even closer to recently liberated Kuweires airbase and al-safira

seems like every time that Syrian/hezbollah units are peeled off to deal with inner FSA, daesh resumes their attacks. Syrian regime is pretty much juggling fronts here

[dogukan]

As if. They cannot profess their desire for a Kurdish state because if they do so, Turkey will be in Rojava the next day.

In addition, they need time to rebuild the vital infrastructure and organize their security forces from a guerrilla force into a conventional force. They will also require security infrastructure and diplomatic reach to ensure no veto in the UN. So, in the meantime they will remain part of Syria due to economic and security benefits. However, once they are self-sufficient and have the green light from the P5 (no Veto), they will secede.

Finally, we have a federal model (Iraq) and the Kurds are now allegedly going to hold a referendum for independence. While I think it's a bluff, it nevertheless goes to show that their long-term goal is an independent Kurdish state.

Make no mistake that the Kurds in Syria loath being called Syrians (especially after years of systemic discrimination and marginalization).

I get what you are saying and it is true to an extend. Kurds do not give a damn about Syria and use it to protect themselves. But they are not AFTER AN INDEPENDENT STATE. They are after an independent entity, its just not a state.

[Harith]

But they are not AFTER AN INDEPENDENT STATE. They are after an independent entity, its just not a state.

On the short-term yes. Not on the long-term.

[Mary The Quene]

It only backfired when it was sent to isolated groups of a few dozen men or hundred men. Weapons sent to the Southern front never fell in JAN hands nor have the weapons sent to the SDF.

The CIA doesn't seem to care where weapons end up being, how many times have FSA groops being looted and why does the CIA continues to give these weapons with that knowledge?
I fail to see why the SDF needs those MANPADS? When are they going to use them when they have no aircraft to face?
and meh the SF is getting increasingly irrelevant, not a group worth supporting with MANPADS as they fight hand in hand with nusrats.

The Syrians can resume their offensive, its only going to hurt Assad.

Dude if anything it's going to hurt up the terrorists, they have shown their true face by violating their ceasefire and are even going to end up loosing more ground than they started with pre offensive. I fail to see how its going to hurt Assad?

looks like FSA is trying to run along the Turkish border looking to cut off the crossings

meanwhile daesh gets even closer to recently liberated Kuweires airbase and al-safira

seems like every time that Syrian/hezbollah units are peeled off to deal with inner FSA, daesh resumes their attacks. Syrian regime is pretty much juggling fronts here

You surely know that this front you have referred to has been stable for months without a single gain made by ISIS while syrian army has pushed isis out of the Safira outskirts?

And the last sentence is just pure propaganda. We know you're cheering for the ''opposition'' but that's still no reason to lie here in front of others, you might fool the occasional visitor with your propaganda but those who follow the conflict closely know that your posts are just filled with lies.

[PointOfViewGun]

I want four walls and a roof. I don't want a house though...

[oberst_ag]

I want four walls and a roof. I don't want a house though...

A apartment in a bigger house ?

[Vanoi]

I am not going to bother anymore because you are not replying to what I am saying.

* I didn't say stingers were used outside Afghanistan. But I am certain they will cause trouble this time + they played an important role but if you don't want to see that..fine

no you said that the US giving Singers to the Agfha rebels backfired. I asked how. stingers played a role, but the Soviets lost because of their economic troubles, not Stinger missiles.

*Assad can be removed but does Vlad want to remove the system?
* You may support understrength divisions as much as you want. I hope it makes you happy.

Vlad wants their naval base. You don't need Assad for that. There is a reason Russia is pushing for peace talks and not trying to help Assad simply re-conquer all of Syria.

The Kurds have guaranteed either Assad will go or Syria will be partitioned. Take your pick.

But can't you realy see that MANPADS are a crazy idea?

Btw the ceasefire in southern syria (Daraa) is holding so I don't see the need for MANPADS there. It would only give the rebels moral to restart the fight.

MANPADs are not a good idea, but thats only because the only people worth giving MANPADs to don't need them. I also don't see a reason in restarting fighting in the South.

The CIA doesn't seem to care where weapons end up being, how many times have FSA groops being looted and why does the CIA continues to give these weapons with that knowledge?
I fail to see why the SDF needs those MANPADS? When are they going to use them when they have no aircraft to face?
and meh the SF is getting increasingly irrelevant, not a group worth supporting with MANPADS as they fight hand in hand with nusrats.

They fight hand in hand because they will lose if thye do not. The SF has made it clear many times thye don't support Al-nusra's ideology.

The SDF might just need them. If they want to keep the federal region they just declared.

Dude if anything it's going to hurt up the terrorists, they have shown their true face by violating their ceasefire and are even going to end up loosing more ground than they started with pre offensive. I fail to see how its going to hurt Assad?

What does Russia want isabella? For Assad ot continue fighting or for the peace talks to succeed? Think about that.

[Flavius Julius Nepos Augustus]

no you said that the US giving Singers to the Agfha rebels backfired. I asked how. stingers played a role, but the Soviets lost because of their economic troubles, not Stinger missiles.



Vlad wants their naval base. You don't need Assad for that. There is a reason Russia is pushing for peace talks and not trying to help Assad simply re-conquer all of Syria.

The Kurds have guaranteed either Assad will go or Syria will be partitioned. Take your pick.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB100014...98851109446780

The event panicked the Soviet ranks, changed the course of the war and helped to break up the USSR itself.

Maybe it is a bit much but the point stands. If you take a look to imperial Russia we see that the loss of a battleship could turn the tide in the Russo-Japanese war. The war weakened the Russian structure. Same in Afghanistan. Small things like the loss of helis can have a big impact om moral (in the army and through (digital) media at home).

Vlad can't care less about his naval base. Realy 4 medium-sized ships can dock there for some repairs etc.

The Tartus facility can accommodate four medium-sized vessels only if both of its 100 m floating piers, inside of the northern breakwater, are operational. It is not capable of hosting any of the Russian Navy's current major warships which range in length from the 129 m Neustrashimyy class frigate through the 163 m Udaloy class destroyer, much less cruisers such as the 186.4 m Slava class and the 252 m Kirov class, or the 305 m Kuznetsov class aircraft carrier.

According to Russia Today, on 26 June 2013, Russian Deputy Minister of Foreign Affairs Bogdanov reported that the facility does not have any strategic military importance

It more about status. Russian pride I believe. Russia also use Syria to gather intelligence (Soviet-spy bases). I don't think they are realy important in the 21st century but who knows. The Russian intervention in Syria is also more about showing off. Saving its naval base is a plus because it gives some status. If the rebels had real AA the Russians would be there out in no-time because losing planes is a bigger defeat than losing that small base.

So all things considered Russia is searching for status (or trying to keep their status). I would keep that in my mind (to my advantage) if I was an American diplomat.

Yeah Assad can go. But Syrian government = the army. So if a new leader is comes to power he must be accepted by the army AND by the (islamist) rebels. If not the rebels will fight on or the Army installs its own man. If you find the man who can be ellected and be accepted by all Syrians (and powers) let me know.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxSXiw_1py0
The TOW's are doing their work.... not. FSA using it against YPG AGIAN! (1 out of 3 launches)

[Roma_Victrix]

Slovenia steps up the fight against ISIS:

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[IrishBlood]

Can we argue less about the hypothetical deployment of manpads to militias of questionable allegiance and more about actual on going events please?

Take for example one of the most horrific acts of terrorism the war has seen so far;

175 cement workers were abducted and killed by ISIS earlier today.

https://www.rt.com/news/338886-isis-massacre-cement-plant/

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a6974221.html

http://www.jpost.com/Breaking-News/I...amascus-450651

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3529698/ISIS-massacred-175-300-cement-workers-kidnapped-outside-Syrian-capital-Damascus-government-claims.html

Edit: ISIS have agreed to release some of the civilian captives, but refuses to release others;

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/0...165030071.html

[Gallus]

Slovenia steps up the fight against ISIS:

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I can confirm that everything in this video is true. The Triglav bit was awesome.