Judean faction in Imperator Augustus campaign pack

[Brivime]

LOL, about that =/= sign there. A couple centuries after Augustus many Arabs would be Christianized (most of the Middle East). In fact, there are still Arab Christian communities around that originate from that period, Coptic Christians being just one example.

Back to the OP: yes, I find it odd that this game has no Jewish faction. Could have been set up as a client state of Egypt.

Copts are not Arabs.

Palestinian Christians are a better example.

Apart from North Arabia and South Arabia most of Central Arabia was Pagan.

[Caligula's_Horse]

Its not just for current political reasons that Jewish elements weren't included. The simple historical truth is that the Jews weren't an independent power in the time of beginning of the grand campaign; they are correctly under Ptolemic rule.

Now with an Augustus period campaign though, there is room to include a Jewish faction. Historically speaking, there was an attempt to rebel against Rome, put down by Marc Antony. From a game play standpoint, they can serve as both a thorn in Antony's side and serve as an Epirus-like semi-suicidal option to play as trapped between Rome, Armenia and Parthia.
Still probably won't make an appearance in the grand campaign except perhaps as mercenaries, except perhaps as a scripted rebellion or something.

Probably worth noting though, that the Jews of the period were somewhat Hellenized, the ruling class in particular. They also had practically no cavalry worth speaking of.

[Sherm]

Looking the screenshot of the augustan campaing, seems that now there is a judea region or something similar, so a Jerusalem with walls, and seems that in this area there is a faction, probably Judea.

Here you can see Judea as a province
https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.n...64889814_o.jpg

Here you can see throug the minimap that there is an indipendent faction in Judea
http://images.eurogamer.net/2013/art...0931473512.png

[Muffin Top]

Looking the screenshot of the augustan campaing, seems that now there is a judea region or something similar, so a Jerusalem with walls, and seems that in this area there is a faction, probably Judea.

Here you can see Judea as a province
https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.n...64889814_o.jpg

Here you can see throug the minimap that there is an indipendent faction in Judea
http://images.eurogamer.net/2013/art...0931473512.png

So a part of Turkey is Syrian Land
And all of Phoenicia is Judean Land?
..much confused

[alQamar]

I do find it curious how the Jews\Israelis appear absent in the game save for Jerusalem. Like they never existed. But they were quite important at the time, even if you ignore the religious elements... Which is sort of hard to do. Is it possible to have Jewish rebels I wonder? Or even there own state as a result of rebellion

perhaps this was intentional to avoid regional conflicts lasting for decades :p

no they should be included as faction seriously.

[KLAssurbanipal]

[Jom]

I hope they include units from the People's Front of Judea, rather than from those bastard splitters the Judean People's Front.

[elor70]

I hope they include units from the People's Front of Judea, rather than from those bastard splitters the Judean People's Front.

Playing as Judea we should have a civil war of the various Judean fronts fighting for dominance

[Brivime]

I saw in a blog about the Empire Edition a sneak peak of the map, there was a blue faction above Nabataea. I hope this means they will add the Judeans and more Arab units because their current roster is extremely lacking.

[Argon Viper]

It seems every few months we go through a "why don't we have a Judean faction" thread. The biggest difference here is that in this particular campaign there's a decent argument for it.

I'd be interested to see a Judean faction in the middle east as a client state of the Romans. I'm not sure what kinds of units should be available to it, can someone well versed in the history of this particular kingdom give us an idea of their layout of forces during the Roman civil war?

[KLAssurbanipal]

CA's members, please buy this book. There are 10 days to making Jewish units skins. It is no problem, because you can add it to Steam update as always.





The Army of Herod the Great


Author: Samuel Rocca
Illustrator: Christa Hook
About this book
Herod was Rome's most important and powerful ally at the end of the Republic. Although he has entered posterity as a ruthless ruler not only against his own family but also, according to the gospel of Matthew, as the instigator of the slaughter of the innocents. However, he was also an able administrator who developed a powerful army. At it’s peak Herod's army could field approximately 40,000 men. Comprised of both Judaean and mercenary soldiers with troops from the Germanic tribes to Parthians to Romans. As a result of this varied composition it showed both strong Hellenistic influence in its armour and cavalry and Roman influence in its use of heavy infantry making it an intriguing topic for military history enthusiasts. This book will be a fascinating look at the ancient army of Herod the Great which will use the latest Israeli archaeological reports and finds, including weapons and armour fragments.
Contents

• Introduction and short chronology · Strength, character and functions of Herod’s Judaean army, as regional power and ally of Republican
• early Imperial Rome · Organization & tactics: infantry and the Roman influence – cavalry and the Hellenistic influence · Ethnic composition: Jewish, Parthian, Roman, Gallic, Germanic · Equipment & weapons: Roman, Hellenistic and Oriental influences · Command & structure: senior commanders – royal guard – cavalry, including Parthians – Iturean archers – Judaean heavy infantry · Campaigns: conquest of Judaea – siege of Jerusalem – First Nabatean War – to Arabia with Aelius Gallus – Second Nabatean War

Paperback; November 2009; 48 pages; ISBN: 9781846032066

[Hunor]

Yes, should be included Judea! crucify them all!

[the man, the myth, the legend]

Probably won't add Judean units because CA portrays the Romans as the superheroes of the ancient world and reminding people of the genocide, oppression, exploitation, and general raping and destruction of the cultural identities of all their "enemies" might put their beloved Romans in a negative light.

[Sp4]

Probably won't add Judean units because CA portrays the Romans as the superheroes of the ancient world and reminding people of the genocide, oppression, exploitation, and general raping and destruction of the cultural identities of all their "enemies" might put their beloved Romans in a negative light.

Have they only gone to that part of the world to do all of that raping and genocide and oppressing?
I'm starting to think that it must have been the worst place to live in ever since people came up with the idea of using sticks to hit each other with.

[Lugotorix]

New Hellenistic and zealot type units should be included, and I'm pretty sure they will be. Don't see them as playable. Modders can add whatever a player wants from this point. Any special emphasis from the dev team is just going to lead to complaining.

[Argon Viper]

Don't see them as playable.

This is probably the most key statement about a Judean faction in the Emperor edition. While it would be ahistorical not to include them, they were a relatively minor faction and probably not playable material.

[Marcus Aemilius Lepidus]

A Judean faction is a must have, but i am not as excited as many of the others here. A zealot unit might be quite unique by the name, but that is it. In general the Judean Army would not have looked much different than any other army between Petra and Samosata. Fact is than the Levantine Coast was full of Greek cities and Herod the Great and his Dynasty were entirely Hellenized as well.

Its not in the time frame, since there is a wrong image of Judea in heads of the people, but after the Flavians conquered Jerusalem, center of the Jews was Mesopotamia and Persia all over again for centuries.

[daelin4]

A Judean faction is fine, but I can't say I can imagine just how that would work in a satisfactory manner. I mean let's face it, all the factions in the game aren't terribly different from eachother: The Balkans, Iberians aren't really that different from playing as Gauls or Germans; the Eastern factions like Parthia isn't terribly different from all the other unplayables from Africa to Arabia. The only real difference comes when they throw in units from other groups like Hoplites (re Baktria) or an emphasis on horse archers (Nomadic).

I can only therefore see them making a Judean faction as just some uninspiring clone copy of the Eastern faction groups rather than something truly interesting.

Mind you I WANT a Judean faction, but I don't want one that's kinda just there so they can say there is a Judean faction.

[LestaT]

For Imperator Augustus campaign ? I guess they would be in. For the main campaign ? No.

[Karnil Vark Khaitan]

Yes more 3d model yes