Judean faction in Imperator Augustus campaign pack

[Orkfaeller]

Can someone educate me?
Does the augustus campaign take place during or after the grand campaignn?
Also, with previous mini campaigns, did CA allways port over all factions and new units, or only parttially?
Iguess if judea doesnt make it into the main game mods can do it, right?
Can we add new factions?

[Karnil Vark Khaitan]

Can someone educate me?
Does the augustus campaign take place during or after the grand campaignn?
Also, with previous mini campaigns, did CA allways port over all factions and new units, or only parttially?
Iguess if judea doesnt make it into the main game mods can do it, right?
Can we add new factions?

yes, after, yes (but not completely sure what you mean, they sometimes keep them seperated by gaul_"insert faction from small cam"_"something something" in the DB), yes mods can yes and the last one is yes.

I hope that help a bit yes?

[Abdülmecid I]

I do find it curious how the Jews\Israelis appear absent in the game save for Jerusalem. Like they never existed. But they were quite important at the time, even if you ignore the religious elements... Which is sort of hard to do. Is it possible to have Jewish rebels I wonder? Or even there own state as a result of rebellion?

Actually in 270 b.c., there wasn't even an autonomous Jewish state. They became independent from the Seleucid rule more than a century after. However, CA had created many imaginary states as client states of big empires, like Cyprus or Media, so I suppose they'd have added the Jews, too.

Can someone educate me? Does the augustus campaign take place during or after the grand campaignn? Also, with previous mini campaigns, did CA allways port over all factions and new units, or only parttially? Iguess if judea doesnt make it into the main game mods can do it, right? Can we add new factions?

The Augustus campaign takes place in the late 1st century B.C., that means in the last stages of the main campaign. In the previous DLCs, some new units were added to the relevant factions (like Carthage in HatG, for example), but only to them.

[Orkfaeller]

Thanks guys.
Been helpful.

[Destraex]

Maybe with a Jewish faction people could see how the Romans basically forced the Jews to scatter from Judea 2000yrs ago
If we had prehistoric total war it would be the philistines being kicked to kingdom come out.
Or maybe that is what they are afraid of.

[daelin4]

Maybe with a Jewish faction people could see how the Romans basically forced the Jews to scatter from Judea 2000yrs ago
If we had prehistoric total war it would be the philistines being kicked to kingdom come out.
Or maybe that is what they are afraid of.

I'd think that if the Judean faction was destroyed but has possibility to re-emerge as rebels or a client/ satrap, that would be the extent of the Judean experience you would get from the game. You know, like every other faction in the game.

[Destraex]

lol. Exactly why they should just be in game.

[PointOfViewGun]

The latest map has Judea as a faction. So, you guys might be getting what you wish for.

[Noif de Bodemloze]

Yes, Judea is in Augustus campaign, who were looking it:
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...3#post14080453

[Toho]

isn't the Judea faction the Jewish faction?

I hope these Judea are rebellious though, more accurate that way.
In the Roman-Persian wars both Armenia and Judea were the playing grounds they like to inflict their political conflict.

[LestaT]

isn't the Judea faction the Jewish faction?

During the time period ? If only you consider Idumaean jewish which I believe the jews at that time don't consider them to be.

[Toho]

During the time period ? If only you consider Idumaean jewish which I believe the jews at that time don't consider them to be.

the greek at the time did not consider the Macedonians Greeks either but now days?
tell any greek that Alexander was not greek and he will rip your head off.

just sayin brah...

[LestaT]

the greek at the time did not consider the Macedonians Greeks either but now days?
tell any greek that Alexander was not greek and he will rip your head off.

just sayin brah...

Not to get distracted into modern politics.. Gameplay wise the Judean faction should have hellenistic influence units and the governments itself should have good relation with Rome etc.

However for players actually holding that region should have high chance of revolt many times over.

[sumskilz]

During the time period ? If only you consider Idumaean jewish which I believe the jews at that time don't consider them to be.

No, the Idumaeans had been conquered by the Hasmoneans who were the kings of Judea. The Idumeans were the descendants of the Edomites of the Bible that had moved into what had been the southern portion of biblical Judah. The Idumaeans probably already had some Jewish ancestry (and were a closely related ethnic group anyway) when John Hyrcanus forced them to convert. Herod was the son of a Jewish Idumean and a Nabatean. Since he was basically a usurper he went to great pains to present himself as Jewish (to his Jewish subjects) claiming his ancestors had lived through the Babylonian captivity and marrying both a Hasmonean princess and the daughter of a High Priest.

[Toho]

No, the Idumaeans had been conquered by the Hasmoneans who were the kings of Judea. The Idumeans were the descendants of the Edomites of the Bible that had moved into what had been the southern portion of biblical Judah. The Idumaeans probably already had some Jewish ancestry (and were a closely related ethnic group anyway) when John Hyrcanus forced them to convert. Herod was the son of a Jewish Idumean and a Nabatean. Since he was basically a usurper he went to great pains to present himself as Jewish (to his Jewish subjects) claiming his ancestors had lived through the Babylonian captivity and marrying both a Hasmonean princess and the daughter of a High Priest.

so are they a Jewish or not? well they will bend the knee regardless

[sumskilz]

so are they a Jewish or not?

Yeah, the kingdom was Jewish, and it was still ruled by a completely Jewish dynasty at the start date.

[daelin4]

isn't the Judea faction the Jewish faction?

I hope these Judea are rebellious though, more accurate that way.
In the Roman-Persian wars both Armenia and Judea were the playing grounds they like to inflict their political conflict.

If by Jewish you mean a culture in the game, I doubt they're going to make a special Jewish group. They're probably just part of the categories of Nomadic/ Eastern or even Hellenistic.

Why should Judea be more rebellious? They weren't really any more or less rebellious than everyone else that lived under Persian/ Greek/ Roman boot heel. The Hasmoneans relied on support of the Seleucids and the Herodians the Romans. If you weren't top dog we went looking for the top dog to support your regime. The closest the historical revolts can be interpted in the game is that they are slave uprisings or as an emergent faction (that is, after already destroyed); the king Agrippa II for instance was pro-Roman and was ousted. The resulting war is really not much different than Caesar going into Gaul to establish a pro-Roman hegemony, or more closely Spartacus; it was restoring the status quo more than conquest. A rebellion would therefore only match the regular X_Region Rebels in the game, or RTW1's rebels/ Zealots /Gladiator Uprising.

An inherently rebellious region would simply be stupid in relationship to the game design: it's basically a culture penalty regardless of what culture percentage the region has, which would also be avoided by using the region as a client or satrap. It's stupid to code a region to be more rebellious than others even if you avoid it by just using up all the slots for temples or city centres. And if this is not a single region but an entire province, that idea is even more stupid because it affects places that aren't normally associated with Israelite/ Judean territory. Coding the region to be more rebellious than others also begs the question of whether that applies to the Judean faction itself.

Having them in the game at all is already enough, even if they're just a Eastern clone that will spam Desert Spearmen for you to farm for XP.

[TheRomanRuler]

Damn, i voted "not interested" and then i immedieately got interested

[Marcus Aemilius Lepidus]

Arab in that era is a very wide term and is difficult to define. Often it was just used for people living in the "desert" or in a nomadic lifestyle. Beeing Arab in that time frame just said something about that. People called Arabs were not one ethnic or religious group. And when people speak about christian or jewish Arabs in that timeframe it has little to to with the monotheistic religion in our understanding. The Ghassanids for example were in the majority Christians, but they still had their holy places. Although nobody knows where it is, there was a a holy place were animals like lions lived in entire peace with humans. It is assumed that this place was somewhere in the desert between Damascus and Baghdad and it is possible that the placed marked the direction the early Muslims prayed to instead of Mecca which isn't mentioned for that time.

For centuries it was no problem to share believed which were a mix of Polytheism, Christianity, Jewish Faith and Islam. The Near East was a huge melting point at the time.

[KLAssurbanipal]

Jewish army look more Hellenistic than eastern style. Your pics from Army of Herod The Great confirms it.