Sauromate AI fights for Trapezous and Sinope

It seems that Sauromate think they border and should conquer both Sinope and Trapezous, or something like that. Their armies keep besieging both rather than focusing on some more realistic conquests.

AI Bosporans wander away from home, leaving their capital undefended to go for them, as well.

Just curious - in the examples you cite, are there other rebel cities still present in between? For example, does the AI march past Rebel Paniardis and Rebel Kutatisi and Rebel Trapezous to reach Rebel Sinope?

In the case of the Bosporans, do they travel by land or by sea?

FWIW, this sounds similar to the reports of Parthia sending armies to attack Kabalaka on the other side of the Caspian. Maybe there's a pattern here.

Originally Posted by Kull

Just curious - in the examples you cite, are there other rebel cities still present in between? For example, does the AI march past Rebel Paniardis and Rebel Kutatisi and Rebel Trapezous to reach Rebel Sinope?

In the case of the Bosporans, do they travel by land or by sea?

FWIW, this sounds similar to the reports of Parthia sending armies to attack Kabalaka on the other side of the Caspian. Maybe there's a pattern here.

The Bosporans go by land, walking all the way around the Euxine to get there. Sinope and Trapezous are the only remaining Rebel cities on the Black Sea in my game.

Originally Posted by QuintusSertorius

The Bosporans go by land, walking all the way around the Euxine to get there. Sinope and Trapezous are the only remaining Rebel cities on the Black Sea in my game.

The key thing I need to know: Are they walking THROUGH Rebel-owned provinces and past Rebel-owned cities to get to their destination? For example, walking past Pontos-owned Trapezous to arrive at Rebel-owned Sinope has totally different implications than walking past Rebel-owned Trapezous to arrive at Rebel-owned Sinope. Capisce?

Originally Posted by Kull

The key thing I need to know: Are they walking THROUGH Rebel-owned provinces and past Rebel-owned cities to get to their destination? For example, walking past Pontos-owned Trapezous to arrive at Rebel-owned Sinope has totally different implications than walking past Rebel-owned Trapezous to arrive at Rebel-owned Sinope. Capisce?

Got it, they're going through other people's territory, but not past other rebels to get there:

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They don't seem to build ships, no one on the Black Sea is using them.

to me that happened in half my campaigns so far (10)

Originally Posted by anonimo272

to me that happened in half my campaigns so far (10)

Please respond to my questions in Post #3. Knowing those answers will go a long way to determining what's driving the behavior.

yes the other 3 rebel cities they ignore and just march to sinope 5 times in 10 campaigns (not exact number but a guess from my memory)
4 out of ten by land but i saw once by sea

the parthia one i saw 2 times out of ten

i dont know if theres a correlation but since i am using 500 movement points they may be inclined to do more those behaviours or at least it's more noticeable, i guess

In my Araukai-campaign (it goes with the piter-CAI) Lusotammian AI constantly walked through rebel-territory (Lankia and Tole), then through my territory, crossed the pyrenees and attacked Illiberri, which they finally conquered (In the screenshot they got Lankia too, but sending small stacks to Illiberri started long before):


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Also, the Averinii conquered Segesta and not their bordering territories, as you can see below:


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Hope that helps regarding the issue!

Originally Posted by QKuhlmann

In my Araukai-campaign (it goes with the piter-CAI) Lusotammian AI constantly walked through rebel-territory (Lankia and Tole), then through my territory, crossed the pyrenees and attacked Illiberri, which they finally conquered (In the screenshot they got Lankia too, but sending small stacks to Illiberri started long before):

Also, the Averinii conquered Segesta and not their bordering territories, as you can see below:

Hope that helps regarding the issue!

Interesting on Illiberi. I wonder what the relative strengths of the garrisons were compared to Lankia, and if that's impacting the decision? Or settlement wealth? Segesta on the other hand *could* have been a rebellion. Arverni are the native faction for that city.

Originally Posted by Kull

Interesting on Illiberi. I wonder what the relative strengths of the garrisons were compared to Lankia, and if that's impacting the decision? Or settlement wealth? Segesta on the other hand *could* have been a rebellion. Arverni are the native faction for that city.

i had similar issues with lusitanas getting in france, once the lusitanans conquered the axterix region (modern day bretagne)
i have screens in the thred debate over movement points but i tought it was a weird implication, but i can say every time they did that

Originally Posted by anonimo272

i have screens in the thred debate over movement points but i tought it was a weird implication, but i can say every time they did that

Just curious. Are people seeing this with basic movement points that came with installer, or do your builds have the increased movement points? (something you would have changed manually or copied in as part of a sub-mod)

I played Hayasdan, and I had border with Sauromate in the cities representing Dagestan and Abkhazia. Sauromate besieged me in Sinope after I took it from them (the army they dispatched to take it from rebels returned home, but a new one arrived).

It's just weird. As if they were making a naval invasion... without ships. And they had rebel cities all over Russia to pick from, plenty of that left lying around. So they seemed to have wanted Sinope specifically, to the point of walking past my other (and less defended!) cities to attack me there.

Go figure.

playing as hayasdan the sauromatae send down every unit they had past my regions of kotaisi and trapezous and consolidate a big army outside of sinope which is very well defended by the pontians.

they then go gome and replay the entire event, send down everything they have and then go back, rinse and repeat.

It's not just Sauromate either. Just saw Pontos go through my provinces to reach rebel Bulgaria. Also saw armies from Bosporus there, going through AI Getai lands to reach that place. Some weirdness.

Yes, and I, when playing as Pergamon (CAI V2) was repeatedly approached by Epirotean Stacks, with whom I had no borders nor war and who walked through makedonean territory to reach me. When I attacked the first one I made peace again with Epiros one turn later, which was happily accepted. Then a few turns later, the next stack knocked ar my doors.
Maybe the parameters, which are made to trigger the AI to make naval invasions have something to do with it? Just a thought.
Another thought: Like the Phenomenons with Piter-CAI I mentioned above, these occured with VH-campaign difficulty. Playing now Piter-CAI on hard difficultly, I did not see such things so far (but I'm only in Round 50 and will look further).

only with edited movement points
but i only did 50 turns with the original eb2 movement points so...

In my game too Bosporans came near Sinope, and just waited there, after a while Sarmatians destroyed them by taking their only city.

Been getting this with normal movement points, v2 and hard difficulty. Pahlava just captured Kabalaka near hayasdan for example.