[Official] Reform requirements - as at 2.3

[Jervaj]

Umm, interesting. I will stay tuned for news. I find this faction pretty exciting, probably my favourite right now. So if theres anything to test, you can count on me.

[QuintusSertorius]

Umm, interesting. I will stay tuned for news. I find this faction pretty exciting, probably my favourite right now. So if theres anything to test, you can count on me.

Did you get elephants after independence? They're predicated on that to become available in Baktra.

[Jervaj]

Umm, I dont know. I havent had time to build up the best buildings but they dont appear in te highest goverment list in the browser. Neither do heitaroi.

[QuintusSertorius]

Umm, I dont know. I havent had time to build up the best buildings but they dont appear in te highest goverment list in the browser. Neither do heitaroi.

The starting government in Baktra allows them too, but only on independence.

Baktria don't get Hetairoi, they have Baktrioi Hippeis instead.

[Jervaj]

That actually makes more sense as that would be like elite units occupying the same niche. But I had read it somewhere. Sorry for the confussion

I havent had time and wont have today but I hope tomorrow I will be able to fully test the total idnependence and report the results I get

[Jervaj]

Ok, something is definetely wrong here.

I picked the other path today. The one that makes the war continue (despite you theorically accept the offer) and after 3 more victories and one mroe settlement taken nothings has happened. Im not getting the reform.

[QuintusSertorius]

Ok, something is definetely wrong here.

I picked the other path today. The one that makes the war continue (despite you theorically accept the offer) and after 3 more victories and one mroe settlement taken nothings has happened. Im not getting the reform.

You have to have won a total of at least 6 battles and taken at least 3 settlements from the Seleukids to trigger independence. Have you already passed both those hurdles?

[Jervaj]

I took 5 settlements and won 8 battles so yeah.

[Simpelicity]

Does terminating monitors make them disappear entirely? Because you terminate the monitor once a certain number of battles are won. Same with settlements. If it makes the counter go away with the monitoring, you're breaking your script. IF.
And the easy fix is to give it the termination other monitors have. Terminate if Baktriakingdom=1.

Other question, for the purposes of the script, what does "withdraw" mean as a battle type?

Another thought on the matter. there's this phrase, "GeneralFoughtFaction f_seleukid". I don't imagine General here refers to actual generals only (as in FMs)? Makes no sense to me, but that's the only other break I could imagine while staring at this script.

[QuintusSertorius]

Does terminating monitors make them disappear entirely? Because you terminate the monitor once a certain number of battles are won. Same with settlements. If it makes the counter go away with the monitoring, you're breaking your script. IF.
And the easy fix is to give it the termination other monitors have. Terminate if Baktriakingdom=1.

Other question, for the purposes of the script, what does "withdraw" mean as a battle type?

Another thought on the matter. there's this phrase, "GeneralFoughtFaction f_seleukid". I don't imagine General here refers to actual generals only (as in FMs)? Makes no sense to me, but that's the only other break I could imagine while staring at this script.

You need to look at the loop surrounding the monitor - terminating a specific monitor doesn't kill the whole thing, just that section. For example terminating the monitor that checks whether or not you've met the requirements for BaktrianKingdom after the counter has been set.

The script can only monitor characters; in order to trigger battles_won or the like, your army has to be led by an FM or General (ie a named character).

[Simpelicity]

yours and the enemy's?

[QuintusSertorius]

yours and the enemy's?

Yours - it's monitoring the player's characters.

[Simpelicity]

Ok. 2 questions then :

@Quintus you didn't exactly answer my first question. If you terminate a monitor, does the counter it was increasing disappear with it? I would imagine not, but just verifying.

@ Jervaj did you win any battles with armies deprived of FMs?

[QuintusSertorius]

Ok. 2 questions then :

@Quintus you didn't exactly answer my first question. If you terminate a monitor, does the counter it was increasing disappear with it? I would imagine not, but just verifying.

It stops tracking the counter, leaving it at whatever it was set at before the monitor was terminated. Unless something else causes that counter to change, that's how it remains.

For example:

monitor_event FactionTurnStart FactionIsLocal
        and I_TurnNumber > 60		;257 BC
        historic_event HE_THUREOS_REFORM factions { f_pontos, f_kh, f_makedonia, f_ptolemaioi, f_baktria, f_bosporan, f_epeiros, f_seleukid, f_pergamon, }
        set_event_counter ecThureosReform 1
        terminate_monitor
    end_monitor

The ThureosReform fires, puts up the historic_event, sets the ecThureosReform event_counter to 1, then closes itself and nevermore is it processed by the script.

[Jervaj]

Sorry. As I said I was away from home. I will return this night.

I actually won the last battles without FM as I had to keep governors as the new FM take a lot of turns to arrive, and I wanres to test it fast, so that may have been the problem.
Still there were things to fix in the sceipt of the offer and so. I will keep trying when I instal the new version tomorrow

[adun12345]

Just a quick FYI - the Hayasdan reform section still lists Persepolis as a requirement for the Imperial reform, but the 2.03etc change list says that the Persepolis requirement has been replaced by Antiocheia. I haven't gotten far enough in my Hayasdan campaign yet to test this, but I thought it might be worth updating the OP if the script has been altered.

EDIT - Confirmed on my latest playthrough that Antiocheia is required for the Hayasdan imperial reform in 2.03k, rather than Perseopolis.

[QuintusSertorius]

Just a quick FYI - the Hayasdan reform section still lists Persepolis as a requirement for the Imperial reform, but the 2.03etc change list says that the Persepolis requirement has been replaced by Antiocheia. I haven't gotten far enough in my Hayasdan campaign yet to test this, but I thought it might be worth updating the OP if the script has been altered.

The script has definitely been altered, so that note in the OP needs to be changed.

[Simpelicity]

Changed it.
Haven't really had time/interest to look into reforms myself much, but I pop in now and then, I can do changes to the OP easily if need be, so do mention it when changes are necessary.

[Barnabas]

About the Pritanoi reform. Market rank 3 and temple rank 3 are the ones which are possible only at cities right? I'm at turn 81 (tried to roleplay a bit and not blitz) but all my settlements are at best large town level with 4000 households, I never exterminated a settlement. Those who got the Pritanoi reform, at what turn did you get it? It looks like I need at least another 100..
When iron fist government becomes available do I get a notification?

[Mantaprey]

A city is 6000 households. With this and a large market, 'Large Tribal Community'(LVL3) becomes available that allows recruitment of the retainer warriors through settlements instead of mercenaries. The Pritanoi reform allows the proto-kingdom (LVL4) that allows chariots and heavy cavalry recruitment, increased recruitment slots and a small negative to happiness. There is no grand notification yet you will see it in the building options.

I let it happen naturally and i got the proto-kingdom (LVL4) at Turn 270, but according to the description it was very much later in history.