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    Default [Official] Reform requirements - as at 2.3

    Back with the first EB, there was a very informative and very useful thread containing information about how to get every faction to reform. For some factions that was very useful, as they're not all very instinctive. As of now, I've yet to stumble upon one myself. I'm playing as Hayasdan, I've been getting the increased authority for a long time now, which I take for a good sign, but I've been getting it for so long now, I'd like to know how to get it to the next step.

    If any of you know how to trigger a reform (Hayasdan or otherwise), or if the Team would like to share some, that would be very nice!

    EDIT: Alright, I found the scripting for most of this. I translated it into normal text for the common folks like me, so we can read it properly. There may very well be mistakes however, and there are some factions that were not there, or had... mysterious scripting. I did my best, if you see an error do point it out please, I will fix it. This was taken from the reform section of the campaign_script file. Some factions are missing - big ones too. Any help clarifying these reforms is greatly appreciated!

    EDIT2: Really appreciate all the effort Simpelicity put into starting this thread, but it's about time it was updated to reflect the current build. Thus I'm going to edit all of these to bring it up to date. ~QS


    Hellenistic Reforms

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    The Hellenistic world gets two reforms, which change the available units, full details of which can be found here. The Thureos Reform happens after turn 60 (257 BC), bringing in Thureophoroi, Euzonoi and Machairophoroi. The Thorakitai Reform happens after turn 200 (222 BC), bringing in Thorakitai and late cavalry.

    The Hellenistic factions who get their rosters updated get an event notification, though these reforms affect everywhere that Greek and Hellenistic units appear. Some other regional units, such as Kardakes and the Galatianised Infantry, are also impacted by this reform.

    It's worth noting that for the most part, Lakonike (ie Sparte) is not impacted by the main Hellenistic reforms. Instead, it has a reform event of it's own, triggered by the KH player building Large-Scale farming (farms_four) in Sparte. There's also a random trigger if KH is the AI between turns 116 and 200. This alters recruitment in Sparte, the Lakonikoi Hoplitai appear, supplanting Hoplitai and some of the Haploi, and Deuteroi Phalangitai appear too.


    Celtic Reforms (Aedui, Aruernoi and Boii)

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    The Celtic trio have two reforms which impact their rosters. At the start of the game, you will get a notification that you are in the first era, that of chariots. Anyone who's played older iterations of EBII may notice right away that you can no longer recruit archers, slingers or heavy cavalry at the start of the game.

    To trigger the "Riders" reform, you must fight at least 5 medium-sized battles (more than 8 units on the opposing side) against settled opponents, such as the Romans, Carthaginians and Hellenistic factions.

    If you fail to do so, it triggers randomly between turn 48 (260BC) and turn 88 (250BC).

    The impact of this is for chariots to disappear, and slingers and heavy cavalry become recruitable.

    The second reform is the "Twilight" era, representing late Celtic states.

    It must be at least turn 440 (162BC) for Aedui and Arverni, Boii have a slightly earlier start on turn 400 (172BC). They must hold at least one city (6000 households); five major markets (market_four or above); and have at least 3 Confederation governments.

    There is also a random trigger, from turn 448 (150BC) until turn 728 (90BC) it may fire on it's own, guaranteed to by the later date.

    This gives more heavy infantry, and archers appear.

    These changes affect all Celtic units, but only the core Celtic trio get notification that they've happened.


    Baktria

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    Arche Seleukia will demand a tribute of 3000 every winter. Refusing it will lead first to a demand for 9000 the next winter, then to war between Baktria and Arche Seleukia. The AS will spawn a punitive expedition and threaten you with it. If you stand strong you will enter rebellion.

    Winning at least 4 land battles and capturing at least 3 regions from Seleukia will make Baktria a kingdom, ending the war.

    Note that an event will fire after 4 battles won and 2 settlements taken, where Baktria can be forgiven and become a satrapy again, allied with Arche Seleukia (and paying tributes again, I would assume).
    A few things to note : it is possible that you need to defeat an AS family member for the battle to count towards your land battle victories. You also probably need to initiate that battle. It is also quite possible that you need to have a FM in your own army, at least when you capture a settlement, for it to count as well.

    Tips
    Earning independence unlocks the top-tier government building, the Basilike Patris. This in turn unlocks elite units, such as Hetairoi, Oxybeles, Hypaspistai and Baktroi Hippeis. It also allows Baktria to build factional governments outside of Baktria itself.


    Hayastan

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    - To become a kingdom, you need to have constructed a Caucasian Tribal Kingdom in four additional settlements, beyond Armavir and Shamsat which you start with. These are four of the five settlements which form a ring around Armavir; Ani-Kamah, Kutatisi, Mtskheta, Kabalaka and Gazaka. You must also have at least 7 settlements. This unlocks new government buildings, expanding recruitment and allowing the construction of higher tiers of Native Colonies.

    - To make the kingdom into an empire, You need at least 15 settlements, including Armavir, Babylon, Ekbatana and Antiocheia. This enables the top-tier government building and changes Hayastan's culture from Eastern Tribal to Eastern Imperial.

    - The Hay second capital event is a little more mysterious just from the scripting. As I understand it, once you are imperial, it will trigger in one of those cases :
    1) You have at least 15 settlements and a faction leader with at least 6 authority
    2) You have at least 21 settlements
    3) You have a faction leader with at least 8 authority
    It also looks like you cannot build the hay imperial building anywhere but your capital for it to work.

    Parallel to all this, Hayastan starts as a tribute-paying satrapy of the seleukids, like Baktria, and has an independance event much like Baktria. In fact it is so much like Baktria's that I can just copy paste it :
    Arche Seleukia will demand a tribute of 3000 every winter. Refusing it will lead to war between Hayastan and Arche Seleukia. Winning at least 6 land battles and capturing at least 3 regions from Seleukia will make Hayastan a kingdom, ending the war.
    Note that an event will fire after 6 battles won and 2 settlements taken, where Hayastan can be forgiven and become a satrapy again, allied with Arche Seleukia (and paying tributes again, I would assume).




    Koinon Hellenon

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    This script is hard to read, bear with me. The first step is building the Congress. You will be able to do so once you have at least 3 settlements with the "polis_three" building (Hellenistic Metropolis). 6 settlements start with it: Athens, Korinthos, Syracuse, Alexandreia, Antiocheia and Pergamon. You can also get it after a (long) while in Rhodos or Sparta. Once you have your 3 Metropolii, the Congress is available to be built anywhere. Build it to progress to the next step.

    The next step of the reform is once again tied to buildings. You need the building "kh4" in at least 4 settlements. This is the Koinon Admin government. Once you have those buildings, an event will trigger, and you can move on to the next step.

    Now, to understand the next step, I need to explain state leaders. Understand this : the Koinon Hellenon is, as I understand it, a loose alliance of otherwise "independent" city states. You play all of them as the one faction, but in reality each city is independant. EBII provides a script that will make of your FMs the state leaders of this or that city you own. The FM needs to be of the right culture, and you can't get state leaders for every settlement in the game, just the typically Greek (Hellenistic) ones. The settlements you can get a leader for are : Ambrakia, Thermon, Pella, Demetrias, Korinthos, Knossos, Salamis, Athenai, Sparte, Rhodos and Ephesos. Plenty of settlements to choose from. The leader title is called "Archon". For example, "Archon Athenai" for the leader of Athens. FMs usually get this trait by winning battles, and they only get it for their city of origin, so pay attention to that when new FMs come up, because you need to breed yourself a few archons for the next step.

    Now that we understand State Leaders, you need to have at least 4 state leaders. You don't need to gather them anywhere, just have at least 4 of them alive. Men can't become a State Leader until they are 40 years old.

    The next step seems to be the Sympoliteia revolt. This simply allows you to build the sympoliteia founding state government. You can only build it in 2 settlements, and you have to start building them in both simultaneously to move on. While they are building those settlements are going to get penalties to happiness (that'd be the revolt). It lasts for 16 turns, and then you can build the simpoliteia government everywhere, AKA you successfully reformed the Koinon Hellenon, congratulations!
    Thanks Thuycidides for clarifying all that!

    KH is also impacted by the Hellenistic Reforms on their rosters, same as the other Hellenistic factions.


    Lugiones

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    The Lugiones have a randomly-occuring reform event between turn 648 (110BC) and 728 (90BC), which enables the late units.


    Makedonian Kingship

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    Makedonian kingship is achieved by:
    Taking Pella
    Upgrading the farms to Large-Scale Farming
    Building Waystations and Garrisons and Port Garrisons
    Killing Pyrrhos


    Nabatu

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    Settling
    To settle, Nabatu must build Large-Scale Farming in Rekem (nomfarm_three) and also in Dedan and Bostra (farms_four). The Faction Leader must be Settled (trait) and not prefer a nomadic lifestyle (again traits).

    This changes Nabatu's culture from Arid Nomadism to Eastern Tribal, and unlocks a new tier of government buildings, giving better recruitment options. It also allows the construction of Native Colonies.


    Empire
    To become a Hellenised eastern administration, the Hellenistic ThorakitaiReform must have happened (after 222BC), and Nabatu must hold: at least 3 settlements with a Hellenistic Poleis, three major markets (market_four or above), and the Faction Leader must have the Philhellene trait.

    This changes culture from Eastern Tribal to Eastern Imperial, and unlocks the two top-tier government buildings. One imitates recruitment from a Hellenistic Poleis, the top one gives Hellenistic professionals and Nabatu elites.


    Numidia

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    Convert Capsa and Sigan (or any other convertible camps you find, if you stray far from Africa) into cities.

    This gives you access to new governments, with better regional recruitment and also unlocks Native Colonies. The latter will add professional infantry from other cultures to stiffen Numidia's roster.


    Pahlava

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    Imperial Reform
    To become a settled empire, you must own Asaak, Hekatompylos, Ekbatana and Rhagae, and build the rank 4 farms in all of them.

    This changes Parthia's culture from Steppe Nomadism to Eastern Imperial, and unlocks the higher tiers of government (giving better options in settled territories). This also allows construction of the Native Colony.

    Indo-Parthian King
    Placing a Suren governor (not the Faction Leader) in India unlocks a specific Indo-Parthian government type for the region.


    Pergamon

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    To become an independent kingdom, you must defeat the Galatians in battle. Six or more battle against Rebel stacks of 8+ units in Galatia will trigger an invasion of Mysia by a large Galatian force.

    You must also own Pergamon, Ephesos, Sardis and Ipsos.

    The fallback requires you to own Pergamon, Ephesos, Sardis, Ipsos and Galatia, and the Seleukids to have completely evacuated Anatolia (ie they hold no settlements in it). It must also be after the Thureos Reform.

    This unlocks the all the later Pergamon governments, before which only the Military Administration is available (and only in Anatolia). This includes the Basilike Patris in places other than Pergamon. It also allows Hetairoi.


    Pontos

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    Pontos becomes an empire when it owns at least 10 provinces, including Sinope, Trapezous, Kutatisi, Mazaka, Pantikapaion and Chersonesos. It also needs to have won a total of more than 10 land battles against any of these factions : Arche Seleukia, Ptolemaioi, Pergamon and/or Bosporan Kingdom. That's not 11 battles each, that's 11 battles between all those factions. You probably need to be fighting an enemy family member for the battle to count. They also probably need to be initiated by you.

    The impact of this reform is to change Pontos' culture from Eastern Tribal to Eastern Imperial, and to unlock a whole host of new government buildings with varied recruitment.


    Pritanoi

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    The pritanoi will form a kingdom if they build enough infrastructure. In settlements where they have a direct pritanoi control government (the governments beyond military occupation), they need at least 2 of those settlements with a market rank 3 or more and 3 of those settlements with a temple rank 3 or more (no matter the temple type). They also need at least 4 settlements with a port building, though the government type does not matter here. Finally, they also need to have recruited at least 10 cavalry units.

    Note
    Reform is confirmed to work as intended. It gives access to a couple of units. Thx Mantaprey!


    Rome

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    Polybian Reform
    - Will happen past turn 100 if the player has had at least 4 large battles (enemy has over 12 units) in Cisalpine Gaul (Felsina, Segesta, Medilanon, Patavium, Massalia, Segestica, Dalminion) and at least 5 large land battles (over 12 enemy units) against Carthage. They have to be fought on the battlemap to be counted. Be warned, the battles possibly need to be initiated by you to count.
    -It can also trigger after turn 150 if they hold Felsina, Segesta, Patava, Messana, Syrakousai and Lilybaion.
    - Will happen automatically at turn 249 if the conditions above are not met.

    Marian Reform

    After turn 500 (147BC) Rome needs to have constructed Latifundae (farms_seven) in at least six of the seven core Italian provinces. They then need an FM with the Reformator trait.

    Failing this, they will automatically occur on turn 661 (107BC).


    Saba

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    The reform to empire seems tied to culture. If one of your characters ends his turn in a settlement not too far from the capital (approximately 3 provinces away. For example, Timna works (Thanks Wulfburk)) that has less than 30% of your culture in it, the reform triggers. The settlement additionally needs an "'Adīm Malkān (Bondsmen of the king)" or "Mahrab Malkān (Royal Court)" government for the reform to trigger. Both of these require a certain level of EI to become available (40 and 60% respectively, the latter only buildable after the reform, but already present in Maryab), which can be attained through temples to Almuqah.

    Tips
    Once the reform happens, your main culture becomes Eastern imperial. The reform unlocks for you the government building you start with in Maryab. To build it in a province you need Eastern imperial to be 60% of the culture of that province. Temples of Almagah raise the Eastern imperial culture.
    Thanks Wulfburk!


    Saka Rauka

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    Settling
    The Saka will settle if they have built wooden_walls (ie upgraded to Towns) in at least 3 of these settlements : Oyrta, Sulek, Chach, Bukharakh, Khiva or Nisaya. The faction leader must also gain the Settled trait (done by using him as a governor in an already-converted settlement).

    This changes culture from Steppe Nomadism to Eastern Tribal, and opens up new government buildings giving better options in settled regions.

    Empire
    At least 40 turns must have passed since the Settling event. Saka must have at least 8 settlements, the Faction Leader must be Settled and have Authority of 4+. You must hold at least four settlements with Medium-Scale farming (farms_three) or better.

    This changes culture from Eastern Tribal to Eastern Imperial. It also allows construction of Native Colonies.

    Domain
    As the Saka Rauka's territory grows, or as the Faction Leader gets more authority, this event will trigger. This allows construction of the Royal Satrapy, the top tier of government buildings.


    Sauromatae

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    The Sauromatae will settle if they have at least 5 settlements with both wooden_walls (ie settled Towns) and the "Occupation and Tribute extortion" government type (ie precursor factional government). That government is the only Sauromatae government allowed in settled states, aside from Allied Government pre-reform. The logic is that once they have 5 settled states with their direct gov, they'll learn to govern settled states better and have access to the upgraded form of "Occupation and tribute extortion". Thanks V.T. Martin and Floren d'Asteneuz!

    This enables the construction of a new government type (better in settled provinces) and access to the Native Colony building.


    Sweboz

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    Sweboz has a randomly-occuring reform event between turn 648 (110BC) and 728 (90BC), which enables the late units.


    Taksashila

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    Independence
    Taksashila starts out being part of the Mauryan empire. Starting from turn 15, you will randomly be asked to recognize Mauryan rule (70% chance of it happening past turn 14). If you accept, you will be paying a 3000 tribute in winter, and will receive mauryan military help against invasions. There is a 40% chance per turn that help will arrive while you are at war. Looks like help will only come once per war, but I might be wrong on that.

    If you refused to recognize Mauryan rule, you enter rebellion. Each turn you have 60% chance of a moderate Mauryan army invading, and a 40% chance of a big mauryan army invading. Both armies are calculated seperately, so they could in theory both happen together, or neither could come. Only 1 moderate and 1 large army can be spawned at one time. The mauryans will stop sending armies past turn 170.

    If the rebelling Taksashila controls at least 7 settlements and has defeated at least 4 Mauryan armies, they will have earned their independence, and will be considered an empire.

    EDIT tried and true. Thanks Mantaprey!

    Tips

    Something I realized from Mantaprey's experience : the script is heavily tied to the family members that spawn with the mauryan armies. Killing them counts as defeating their army, even if you used an assassin instead of an army. Also, assassinating the FM basically turns the mauryan army into a normal eleutheroi army, as opposed to one that will aggressively siege certain settlements of yours.

    Independence unlocks new government buildings, and the ability to build factional governments outside of India. Furthermore, it grants access to the Native Colony building.


    Military Reform

    This represents the move away from Vedic-style armies, after contact with heavy cavalry from other cultures. It signals the end of the chariot, and advent of Taksashila's own heavy cavalry (the Lancers) and other new units still to be made.

    Taksashila must be independent (ie no longer Mauryan vassal); it must have had at least 5 major battles with the Saka and observed real heavy cavalry (heavy horse with barding) in 5 battles.

    This also allows the higher tiers of the Yavana Guild building, which gives Indo-Greek units.



    Carthage

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    Barcid Reform

    This unlocks new forms of government, which don't require Carthaginian Settler's Colonies to install and upgrade.

    It must be at least turn 140 (237BC), and Carthage must hold Kard-Hadast, Gadir and Mastia. They must have had 5 or more major land battles with Rome, and have a General of the Army or War Leader who's part of the Barcid faction.

    Renewed Panoply Reform

    Randomly between turn 288 (200BC) and turn 328 (190BC), assuming the Barcid Reform has happened, heavier units will appear, either by armour upgrade or change in roster. This includes the late Libyans.




    Iberian Panoply Reform

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    Occurs randomly between turn 140 (237BC) and turn 168 (230BC). Unlocks Iberian Scutarii units.

    While these affect Iberian units everywhere, only the Iberians, Celts, Carthaginians and Romans get a notification.
    Last edited by QuintusSertorius; May 23, 2018 at 05:32 AM. Reason: Updated to 2.2b

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    Default Re: Reform requirements

    Just go search the reforms section of the campaign script for "hayasdan"

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    Well I'm very happy for you that you know how to do that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Simpelicity View Post
    Well I'm very happy for you that you know how to do that.
    it's here: (but i do not understand)
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    ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;; ;;
    ;; Hayasdan reforms
    ;;
    ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;
    set_event_counter ecPanCaucasianKingdom 0
    set_event_counter ecHayasdanImperial 0
    set_event_counter ecHaySecondCapital 0
    declare_counter hay_capital_points
    ;
    monitor_event BuildingCompleted FactionType f_hayasdan
    and NumBuildingsCompletedFaction hay_caucas > 5
    and I_NumberOfSettlements f_hayasdan > 6
    set_event_counter ecPanCaucasianKingdom 0
    historic_event HE_CAUCASIAN_KINGDOM factions { f_hayasdan, }
    terminate_monitor
    end_monitor
    ;
    monitor_event CharacterTurnEndInSettlement FactionType f_hayasdan
    and DistanceCapital < 3
    and PopulationOwnReligion < 50
    and I_EventCounter ecPanCaucasianKingdom = 1
    and I_NumberOfSettlements f_hayasdan > 14
    and I_SettlementOwner sett_114 f_hayasdan ;;; Armavir
    and I_SettlementOwner sett_123 f_hayasdan ;;; Babylon
    and I_SettlementOwner sett_124 f_hayasdan ;;; Ekbatana
    and I_SettlementOwner sett_127 f_hayasdan ;;; Persepolis
    set_event_counter ecHayasdanImperial 1
    historic_event HE_HAYASDAN_IMPERIAL factions { f_hayasdan, }
    set_religion f_hayasdan rel_c
    terminate_monitor
    end_monitor
    ;
    monitor_event SettlementTurnStart FactionType f_hayasdan
    and I_EventCounter ecHayasdanImperial = 1
    and not SettlementName sett_114
    and SettlementBuildingExists = hay_imperial
    inc_counter hay_capital_points -1
    end_monitor
    ;
    monitor_event FactionTurnStart FactionType f_hayasdan
    if I_NumberOfSettlements f_hayasdan > 14
    and I_FactionLeaderAttribute f_hayasdan Authority > 5
    inc_counter hay_capital_points 1
    end_if

    if I_NumberOfSettlements f_hayasdan > 20
    inc_counter hay_capital_points 1
    end_if

    if I_FactionLeaderAttribute f_hayasdan Authority >= 8
    inc_counter hay_capital_points 1
    end_if

    if I_CompareCounter hay_capital_points > 0
    set_event_counter ecHaySecondCapital 1
    historic_event HE_HAY_CAPITAL factions { f_hayasdan, }
    end_if
    end_monitor
    ;
    monitor_event AddedToBuildingQueue FactionType f_hayasdan
    and BuildingName = hay_imperial
    and not SettlementName sett_114
    inc_counter hay_capital_points -1

    if I_CompareCounter hay_capital_points = 0
    set_event_counter ecHaySecondCapital 0
    end_if
    end_monitor
    ;
    ; Re-enable the event counter after the player has clicked the end turn button. If this isn't done, the building will never complete.
    ;
    monitor_event ButtonPressed ButtonPressed end_turn
    set_event_counter ecHaySecondCapital 1
    end_monitor
    ;
    ; Disable the event counter at the end of faction turn.
    ;
    monitor_event FactionTurnEnd FactionType f_saka
    set_event_counter ecHaySecondCapital 0
    end_monitor


    by the way, i daw no Carthaginian reforms...

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    I am working on translating all the scripting into understandable explanations that I will put in the OP. I'm stuck on Hay as well though. I'm not sure how the 2nd capital event works, and the kingdom script look a little wrong to me. I've asked those questions in bug & technical help section, we'll see what they answer.

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    Is anyone know which units the reforms unlock?
    For Rome, ok. We start from Camilian units to polybians.
    But what for all other factions? When i see Pergamum roster in custom battle, i do not see reformed units.
    Same for Palhava, Hayasdan etc...

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    Edited post with a lot of the reforms, help would still be appreciated in getting this together. Thanks.

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    Default Re: Reform requirements

    For Hayasdan, one important tip: LOW TAXES in Armavir. You need it to reach the level of city before you get to build your reformed government.

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    You mean for the kingdom government? What wall rank do we need to build it?

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    Good OP! +rep
    anyway would be cool if we knew what those reforms actually do :-D
    I choose to die on my feet, rather than live on my knees!

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    They usually give access to new and improved troops. Most of the time. I'm not sure what having a second capital does though. Or what the domain thing for the saka does - looks very similar to the hai 2nd capital thingie.

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    Makedon dont seem to have a reform do they?

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    If they do it's not in the reforms section. Lots of factions are actually missing from the reforms section. I'm not sure where Makedon is, if it has any.

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    Great post, im on turn 180 as pergamon and i... didnt knew they had a reform!

    Does middle era and late era change anything in this version? I did not get any message, nor i see a difference on Pergamon from early to middle/late.

    And the attalid reform may be hard to do for me, since Pontus captured Galatia And i dont see any rebel stacks in there. Does it work with any eleutheroi army on the region Galatia, or it HAS to be Eleutheroi (galatians).
    Then, as throngs of his enemies bore down upon him and one of his followers said, "They are making at thee, O King," "Who else, pray," said Antigonus, "should be their mark? But Demetrius will come to my aid." This was his hope to the last, and to the last he kept watching eagerly for his son; then a whole cloud of javelins were let fly at him and he fell.

    -Plutarch, life of Demetrius.

    Arche Aiakidae-Epeiros EB2 AAR

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    As Pergamon: You must let an army of yours with 11 units rebel around Ankyra, and then defeat it. Otherwise there's no rebel force large enough to fight there to satisfy the reform's demands. Send your least loyal general there.

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    Right, i'll try it. Though then it would be best if the reform only needed for Pergamon to capture Ankyra? Very gamey to on purpose have 1 of your army rebel in there just so you can do it.
    Then, as throngs of his enemies bore down upon him and one of his followers said, "They are making at thee, O King," "Who else, pray," said Antigonus, "should be their mark? But Demetrius will come to my aid." This was his hope to the last, and to the last he kept watching eagerly for his son; then a whole cloud of javelins were let fly at him and he fell.

    -Plutarch, life of Demetrius.

    Arche Aiakidae-Epeiros EB2 AAR

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wulfburk View Post
    Great post, im on turn 180 as pergamon and i... didnt knew they had a reform!

    Does middle era and late era change anything in this version? I did not get any message, nor i see a difference on Pergamon from early to middle/late.

    And the attalid reform may be hard to do for me, since Pontus captured Galatia And i dont see any rebel stacks in there. Does it work with any eleutheroi army on the region Galatia, or it HAS to be Eleutheroi (galatians).
    It is scripted in turns, but it is possible that by turns they mean years. Since no reform happened to you, I imagine that means years. Middle era would then happen automatically at turn 324 or so. Kinda makes sense actually.

    As for the Galatia problem, I'm sure they envisioned the epic fights there must have been between Pergamon and the celts there, which is why they scripted it to be specifically slave (Eleutheroi). Considering the Eleutheroi can now recruit units, you could've fpossibly farmed the place for it, but yeah, it doesn't look possible right now. As Delra says, having an army rebel looks like the only choice, as I'm not even sure that settlement rebelling would go to the eleutheroi - it used to go to the arverni in EBI.

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    The first Sweboz reform is not working for me. Up to turn 132 and still nothing

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    Quote Originally Posted by Simpelicity View Post
    It is scripted in turns, but it is possible that by turns they mean years. Since no reform happened to you, I imagine that means years. Middle era would then happen automatically at turn 324 or so. Kinda makes sense actually.

    As for the Galatia problem, I'm sure they envisioned the epic fights there must have been between Pergamon and the celts there, which is why they scripted it to be specifically slave (Eleutheroi). Considering the Eleutheroi can now recruit units, you could've fpossibly farmed the place for it, but yeah, it doesn't look possible right now. As Delra says, having an army rebel looks like the only choice, as I'm not even sure that settlement rebelling would go to the eleutheroi - it used to go to the arverni in EBI.
    324 turns? Wow. I know this mod is supposed to be slower, but that is ridiculously long. I don't think i've ever played a singe campaign in any total war game for more than 200 turns, even when trying to conquer every province on the map. Are you sure it's not just that the script isn't firing for some reason?

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    Quote Originally Posted by saxnot View Post
    The first Sweboz reform is not working for me. Up to turn 132 and still nothing
    then maybe I'm reading it wrong? Sweboz was weird, it's scripted in another file, where it seemed pretty straightforward, but either I'm reading it wrong, either it's not working. Again, I could use some help here.

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