[Submod] Extended Offices Expanded Update News

[kingman1337]

Very good, I will be sure to grammar check it once you are finished.

[b0Gia de Bodemloze]

Very good, I will be sure to grammar check it once you are finished.

Yup, indeed.

[Col.KanKrusha]

EDIT - not sure i have posted in the right thread, i think you were asking for contributions somewhere

Suggestions for Gauls

The different Gallic tribes had had slightly varying governments. The general system seems to have been of a "tribal council" with an elected or hereditary leader. The was also a system of magistrates who were leaders and likely were the members of this council. Not all tribes had kings at all times (they might choose not to elect one) and some tribes had two kings. Where there were two leaders the more military leader seems to have had the suffix -rix at the end of the name. Eg Ambiorix and Cativolcus of the Eburones

It also seems that the names we are familiar with may have been titles eg Vercingetorix translates as Great Champion High King. Druids seemed to have played a crucial advisory role, being the repository of oral history and knowledge, although a leader may also be a druid (eg Divitiacus of the Aedui).

The suffix "-rix" is translated as warrior prince or warrior king but probably meant more of a warrior leader as the named individuals in Caesar's commentary weren't neccessarily the appointed leader eg Dumnorix and Orgetorix

I suggest a separate ladder for Faction Leaders and Generals. The Faction leader should gain levels based on the size of the expanding faction (note that from my experiments that the SettlementsTaken condition does not seem to work in the export_descr_character_traits file and would need to be used through campaign script)

Faction leader levels
1. Vergobretos - literally a magistrate
2. Boudiccus - taken from the Briton queen Boudicca literally Victor or Victoria
3. Vercingetorix - Great High Champion Chief

General Levels
1. Cunorix - literally "The Hound" *(same as the Conne in Connemara in ireland)
2, dumnorix - literally "Leader of the world" or of everyone
3. Brennus - literally "The Crow" but also the name or title of the Gaul who sacked Delphi 279 BC and separately the leader who nearly sacked Rome in 387 BC ("Vae Victis")

[b0Gia de Bodemloze]

Well first thanks for the info and also here is the right thread to post suggestions, feedback etc.
Second when we tell gauls we mean only Aedui and Arverni or general Celts like Pritanoi, Bioii and Getai?
Third what you think is better; introduced them as ancillaries, traits or mixed :
1) a general that stays a lot in settlement claim the title of Cunorix of "Lemonon" (for minor settlements) or the title of Dumnorix of "Mediolanon" (for major settlements) for example , Brennus being the Commander-in-Chief tittle or/and High Champion, Vercingetorix being the Great High Champion Chief, Vergobretos being something like Royal Secretariat; a close advicer to the King.
2) introduced them as traits not as ancillaries so there is :

Gauls Faction leader levels
1. Vergobretos - literally a magistrate
2. Boudiccus - taken from the Briton queen Boudicca literally Victor or Victoria
3. Vercingetorix - Great High Champion Chief

Gauls General Levels
1. Cunorix - literally "The Hound" *(same as the Conne in Connemara in ireland)
2, dumnorix - literally "Leader of the world" or of everyone
3. Brennus - literally "The Crow" but also the name or title of the Gaul who sacked Delphi 279 BC and separately the leader who nearly sacked Rome in 387 BC ("Vae Victis")
with difficulty 4 , 8 , 12 maybe

[Col.KanKrusha]

Hi

Some of the stuff we can work out for Gauls comes from other celtic societies in the middle ages such as Welsh, Scots and Irish tribes; although similarities to Germanic society suggest these forms of government go back to Indo-European society. I think this should apply to all Celts.

I think promotion for generals should be based on victory in battle and I think these should be titles rather than gaining an advisor. Personally i like using ancillaries to award titles but it is quite hard to remove them. Traits is better for allowing serial promotions.

You could split Vergobretos off as an ancillary. That would be a good way of helping governors with skill in settlement management. In that case you may want to consider moving Brennus as a rank for the faction leader, leaving only 2 battle gained ranks for the other generals.
Other ancillaries that could be used would be Druids (oral historians and repositories of legal knowledge, inheritance traditions and past disputes) and Bards - I need to look through the file to see if they are already there.

edit - already druidic training present from the original team

[b0Gia de Bodemloze]

Well so i will add a new ancillary and 5 new traits for Pritanoi, Aedui, Arverni, Bioii and Getai in the next update.

The ancillary
Vergobretos
Descr

Also we have 2 new traits for the above factions, (battle gained ranks)
1) Cunorix - literally "The Hound" *(same as the Conne in Connemara in ireland)
Descr
2) Dumnorix - literally "Leader of the world" or of everyone
Descr

And final we have 3 new traits for faction leaders (battle gained ranks)
1) Boudiccus - taken from the Briton queen Boudicca literally Victor or Victoria
Descr
2) Brennus - literally "The Crow" but also the name or title of the Gaul who sacked Delphi 279 BC and separately the leader who nearly sacked Rome in 387 BC ("Vae Victis")
Descr
3) Vercingetorix - Great High Champion Chief
Descr

If you are good at writing, write some good descr about them.

[Col.KanKrusha]

Okay, this is embarassing. There seems to be a celtic enthusaist already on the EB2. Some of the factions have been done. I need to have a look through and see which of the celtic factions have special traits and which don't. Sorry ;-)

[b0Gia de Bodemloze]

Well i am giving priority to hellenic/hellenistic factions but i could implement the above for fans of the barbarian factions.

[Col.KanKrusha]

Hi

This is what i have found in the files:

Current In game


Gallic Druid Trait
Levels - Abh, Haenth, Bartox, Cingetos, Angithos, Eunian, Ogmiote
Effects - chiefly battlesurgery, command, hitpoints at very high level
Available by culture to cul_5: Aedui, Arverni, Casse, Lussotanan, Sweboz, Getai, Lugia, Arevaci, Boii,
No current trigger
Suggestion - activate trigger for above factions excluding Casse


CasseDruid Trait
Same as GallicDruid but just for Casse with faction specific names
No current trigger
Suggestion - add trigger for Casse tribe


AeduiVergobretos Trait
Level AeduiVergobret
Effects
For the Aedui faction leader
set up as anti-trait to AeduiTaoiArjos which goes to the faction heir
also anti trait to GaulArra


ArverniVerrix Trait
Trait for Arverni faction leader - Verrix (the Ver and the rix are the same as in Ver-Cingeto-rix)
Antitrait Orbios which is faction heir

also Casse specific versions CasseBren for faction leader and CasseTybren and CasseExTybren for faction heir


Proposal:
Make Vergobretos and Verrix two levels of faction leader leadership for all celtic tribes excluding Casse as Casse have own leadership system
Description: remove tribal specific mentions from the two ranks


Triggers needed for:
Celtic faction leader traits excluding Casse
Celtic faction heir and ex-faction trait excluding Casse
Gallic druid skill traits which are awarded to celtic generals excluding Casse
Casse specific versions of all the above

Description changes needed only for AeduiVergobret, ArverniVerrix and matching faction heir traits to remove mention of the tribes

[b0Gia de Bodemloze]

Well the problem is the triggers for traits are not as simple as the ones for ancillaries. I must look at them more and find a way to implement them.

[kingman1337]

Just got everything in, sorry for the delay. RL got in the way.

[b0Gia de Bodemloze]

Just got everything in, sorry for the delay. RL got in the way.

I know that feel.

[Antiokhos Euergetes]

Thought I would make a start on Seleukid titles and ancillaries [WIP] though having having briefly helped out in EB research I do know they have a very fine Hellenistic scholar, so perhaps these are already in, I just have not had enough time recently to dedicate to a proper campaign... Sadly!

Philio tou basileos friends of the king, courtiers served as various official roles, military, ambassadors, administrative.
basilikoi paides royal pages the sons of prominent 'Makedonian' and non Greek aristoi, guarded and attended the king, brought up at court under guidance of
Tropheus master of royal pages
The Basilikoi paides could often receive promotion later in life to
Sutrophos foster brother an honour that would gain the privilege of being addressed brother by the king. And as with all such Philoi could gain rapid promotion.
One such Sutrophos under Antiokhos III was given the prestigious role of
elephantarchos commander of the war elephants. Philos could also gain the distinction of commanding on the right flank in the presence of the king, or less prestigious but highly distinguished commanding the left flank.

Strategos governor/military commander of a Satrapy. The use of Satrapy appears to of faded out
archistrategos commander in chief
Hyparch governed smaller sub region Hyparchia
archiatros chief physician.

More to follow.add if you want, I might be a while getting back, got a lot of work/research ongoing

[b0Gia de Bodemloze]

Well first thanks for the info. I could use some of them as ancillaries when i will start work with Seleucids.

[Antiokhos Euergetes]

Pleasure, I would of thought most could be useful?

[b0Gia de Bodemloze]

Well for sure we will have
Strategos
Archistrategos
Hyparchos
Elephantarchos
Archiatros Maybe too as a unique prestige position.

I would like to implement Philos and Suntrophos as traits if possibly. Same for Basilikos paidas and Tropheus.

[Antiokhos Euergetes]

Good stuff I will get round to doing administrative and other military titles over the next couple of days, work allowing. I seem to be researching Hellenistic stuff for people left, right and centre, loosing track who needs what...good job I love it
Then it's on to the Ptolemies

EDIT: By the way I finally got round to playing a Seleukid campaign for more than 10 minutes, I notice Elephantarchos is in, I did say EB has a top notch Hellenistic researcher.

On another note, do you think it is possible to automatically change the name of the Seleukid, Ptolemaic, Attalid his ruler upon succession to the throne? Little things like this bother me, I would my Basileos to be Antiokhos the IV or Seleukhos VII

[b0Gia de Bodemloze]

Good stuff I will get round to doing administrative and other military titles over the next couple of days, work allowing. I seem to be researching Hellenistic stuff for people left, right and centre, loosing track who needs what...good job I love it
Then it's on to the Ptolemies

EDIT: By the way I finally got round to playing a Seleukid campaign for more than 10 minutes, I notice Elephantarchos is in, I did say EB has a top notch Hellenistic researcher.

On another note, do you think it is possible to automatically change the name of the Seleukid, Ptolemaic, Attalid his ruler upon succession to the throne? Little things like this bother me, I would my Basileos to be Antiokhos the IV or Seleukhos VII

Hmm interesting. I will investigate this further in the future.
By the way new version released with recruitable generals and really bad ai 5.7.

[MIKE GOLF]

Here are a few screenshots from some additional work that has been done.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

[Antiokhos Euergetes]

Good work. I have recently acquired some Hellenistic era Babylonian cuneiform documents (with translations) might be some unique and useful titles and ancillaries