Brazil elections turn upside down

[Jac_PS]

Hi TWC fellas! Here in Brazil the campaign for the 2014 elections are in full force. One of the candidates for the election was Eduardo Campos, running from PSB, or Brasilian Socialist Party, has died in an airplane crash. His vice - Marina Silva - now assume the position from vice to president.
I don't know if you're familiar with the Brazilian "style" os government or elections, but, for now, Marina is, according to the polls, equal to Dilma Rouseff, that are our President from de PT ( Worker's Party). So, for Eduardo Campos to have a mere 9% in polls to literally sky rocket to 34% for Marina is something that never occured in the Western Hemisphere. Not that I can remember.
So I challenge you: Show me a candidate that have a meteoric ascension in a free democratic Country like Marina Silva is having in Brazil.
Count the more than 200 years of democratic election in United States and the very Republican Countries in Europe, I don't saw anything like it.
Please note that this post is not any kind of offense to anyone. I'm simply a brazilian guy doing his own research. Thanks TWC in advance.

[alhoon]

It's partially because of the sympathy vote I think, because of the tragedy that befell the party.
Then it probably brought in the forefront some of the policies of the socialist party which would certainly benefit a country like Brazil with a large percentage of people struggling with poverty that gave "substance" to the momentum.
I.e. when a party of 9% rises so high, it gives hope to leftwing voters and they switch to that party.


PS. It happened in Greece in the past elections. SYRIZA a party struggling to get in the parliament (around 4%) became the honorable opposition with 27% and was a serious contender for winning the elections. The party that won (ND) got just 2.5% more than SYRIZA.

[Jac_PS]

In the moment or so, all people here suffered from the commotion and all, but now, as I've said, the polls sky rocketed in form of Marina from PSDB. But the reality is that Marina isn't even a member os PSDB, Her candidature is a mere alliance with a politician ( note that it's not a political party, but a politician, a man! ), she is her vice, and all.
And now he's dead, Marina took over in his/her candidature. Another vice was called ( from PSB this time ), and the thing is already formed.!! This is a joke. I bet that in Greece ( after all, the most ancient democracy of all! ) this things will not be tolerated by the public!
Hell, even the Jet that the former candidate ( Eduardo Campos ) died is not counted in the campaign! And no one talks about it!
Alhoon, if you'r from Greece, note that the Democracy as the Ancient Greeks and our ancestors took in place are NOT the representative democracy that people like Marina does in Brazil right now. And the ruler's party PT even less. They are full totalitarians, but happen to have a Democracy and a Constitution in front of their to confront.
I Know what I'm talking about, But the question persists: Are some form, or some people that rises in polls SO FAST like Marina? If it is, I don't know it.

[Thorn777]

Its remarkable how many Latin-American top-politicians die in plain crashes or get cancer.

[opock]

Its remarkable how many Latin-American top-politicians die in plain crashes or get cancer.

infowars.com on the ball exposing the cancer viruses in the water

[Thorn777]

infowars.com on the ball exposing the cancer viruses in the water

I dont need infowars to tell me that 6 critical of the US latin-American leaders getting cancer within a small time frame seems like an irregularity and therefore remarkable and thus interesting and in need for further attention.

Similar to several plain crashes within a small time period years ago. Now on public-record as US backed assasinations. Who knows what time will tell on this cancer epidemic running rampant on latin american leftist leaders.

Btw I view infowars as cointelpro(a conspiracy in itself), always pushing for limited govt, which would just mean more corporate rule and public retraction from political life. So plz spare me with the lizzards and fluoride. Im more on Noam Chomsky's dick. Im actually pretty boring- Its just that mainstream went nuts.

[opock]

100% of the people that opposed the US in 1900 are now dead!!!! On record!

[Condottiere 40K]

Or have cancer and die in a plane crash.

[Vítor Gaspar]

Hi TWC fellas! Here in Brazil the campaign for the 2014 elections are in full force. One of the candidates for the election was Eduardo Campos, running from PSB, or Brasilian Socialist Party, has died in an airplane crash. His vice - Marina Silva - now assume the position from vice to president.
I don't know if you're familiar with the Brazilian "style" os government or elections, but, for now, Marina is, according to the polls, equal to Dilma Rouseff, that are our President from de PT ( Worker's Party). So, for Eduardo Campos to have a mere 9% in polls to literally sky rocket to 34% for Marina is something that never occured in the Western Hemisphere. Not that I can remember.
So I challenge you: Show me a candidate that have a meteoric ascension in a free democratic Country like Marina Silva is having in Brazil.
Count the more than 200 years of democratic election in United States and the very Republican Countries in Europe, I don't saw anything like it.
Please note that this post is not any kind of offense to anyone. I'm simply a brazilian guy doing his own research. Thanks TWC in advance.

Meteoric ascensions aren't something unique to Brazil or to "undemocratic countries". Quite the opposite - that being able to happen in Brazil should be clear evidence that, for all its shortcomings, if there's one thing 21st century Brazil is is being democratic. And democracy has its risks.

I am against Marina Silva in many, many grounds - I think she's a threat to the country, especially in economic matters, but also to its democratic and rule of law (the latter being quite worn out) values, as well the separation of the Church and the State.

This woman is a nutjob. She is an Evangelistic/Environmentalist activist! You see, she belongs - and is funded - by this crazy, Pentecostal church that uses the millions of poor Brazilians as pawns in its political games. There's a common practice inside those churches that is called "Voto Religioso". It pretty much means "keeping the votes inside the church". Only now we're talking about a Presidential candidate and a major "alternative-come-mainstream, but-still-crazy" Church. She was the former Minister for the Environment during the Lula executive. It is said that the then's Federal government's low-profile stance on some particularly tricky subjects (marriage laws, abortion and so on) is due to her.

People voting on her has more to do with other things than "she being from the Socialist Party and the slums folks voting on her".

For all it's worth, for better and for worse, Brazil's Social-Democrat party, at its essence, is the Partido dos Trabalhadores (the Laborers/Workers Party). Partido Social Democrata Brasileiro, Aécio Neves' party, and the former second-in-line for these elections, is, despite its name, a conservative, right-wing party, highly connected to São Paulo and Southern Brazil middle and upper class, extremely averse (but now counts on the votes from the lower classes, so they had to tone down the rhetoric) to Welfare State. Partido Socialista Brasileiro (the party Marina is now running for) never had any power in Brazil and is far from being a major player - it's also ridden with a few corruption scandals (but so are the PT and PSDB).

So how come Marina got all those votes?

The Church. Her dangerous and demagogue charisma, which makes uneducated people special prone to her - she mixes up her evangelical style of speech with politics. The sympathetic vote. Her "for Amazon and the Brazilian rainforest" stance against the powerful economical interests that to the people living in the favelas is an echo of "for the people from the favelas, against the economical interests, that drive us to poverty, of the middle and upper class people". PSB, being a small party, has few connections to the shame that the World Cup was (which, especially for the poor, was a bad investment, in detriment of further investments in Social Welfare), while PT and PSDB are connected to it - PT in a Federal level, PSDB in the several states they control (a lot of them).

So those are the reasons.

Is the fact Brazilian elections are upside down that's worrying? No. It's the fact a preacher, a charlatan like Marina Silva, who mixed up evangelism with politics, may be the next President of Brazil. That also explains how a minor party like PSB grew - it's not PSB people that are voting on her. It's the people entranced, and belonging to, by her Church.

I also doubt of the PSB's stance on security and crime prevention. They are HIGHLY dependent on the favelas' votes - I doubt much will be done that that may stir the votes away from the favelas.

P.S - Aécio Neves doesn't seem to be a classical PSDB type. His work as the Governor of Minas Gerais seems to a quality approach to the real Social Democrat system while not letting it run wild in a country where the State is still underdeveloped to effectively battle corruption. He is not averse to the poorest classes like PSDB has been, traditionally. PSDB's legacy is what is driving the votes away from him.

Economically speaking he is also the soundest man there and the only one I actually trust to do something - especially as the country is about to enter in recession (2014 was the year Brazil completely messed up for good and lets see if it can still catch the train). His idea on how to tackle inflation seem correct IF well implemented - cuts to the Federal Budget have to be made but they should cut on where the funding is not needed.

[Facupay]

There is some worry here about Brazil as Argentina is already a huge mess and a bomb ready to blow up. It would be really bad if Brazil, instead of a recession, goes into a full-blown crisis.

I don't like this Marina, I don't think she has the profile the president of a modern, 200M nation needs. Brazil needs to shake up and change but not in the wrong way.

I'm pretty ignorant but Aecio seems the most sensible choice.