Will Europe Fall in the Next 100 Years (Poll)

[JP226]

Ongoing 'intifada' in France has injured 2,500 police in 2006



Special to World Tribune.com
GEOSTRATEGY-DIRECT.COM
Friday, October 27, 2006


This might have dropped below the radar, but Al Qaida and its allies are literally battling the Crusaders every day in Europe. And so far, Europe isn't doing so well.
"We are in a state of civil war, orchestrated by radical Islamists," said Michel Thoomis, secretary general of the Action Police trade union. "This is not a question of urban violence any more. It is an intifada, with stones and firebombs."

The French Interior Ministry has acknowledged the Muslim uprising. The ministry said more than 2,500 police officers have been injured in 2006. This amounts to at least 14 officers each day.



The battles have been under-reported but alarming to French authorities. Muslim street commanders, who run lucrative drug networks, have organized youngsters in housing projects to ambush police and confront security forces. The response time allows hundreds of Muslims to storm police cars and patrols within minutes.
"You no longer see two or three youths confronting police," Thoomis said. "You see whole tower blocks emptying into the streets to set their comrades free when they are arrested."

France's huge Muslim minority community has come under the influence of agents often influenced and financed by Al Qaida. These agents have recruited Muslim youngsters for urban warfare in which police and government representatives are injured daily.

Not surprisingly, Muslim neighborhoods are becoming autonomous zones, with police and government workers too scared to enter. The police union is demanding the Interior Ministry supply officers with armored cars.

European law enforcement sources say France could be a model for other countries. The most worried are Britain and the Netherlands.




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Clearly the Muslim problem is a problem. What is europe going to do. Are they going to go 1984 on us and lock down, or 684 and become a kaliphate? Will Europe as we know it fall?

[Sétanta]

No more than America will.

[danzig]

No more than America will.

Actually I think the odds of a 'true' breakup and ethnic strife is far more likely in Europe then it is in the US. If US falls it would be economic based, if Europe 'fell' it would be along ethnic lines. Of course talking about Europe as if its one entity is probably unfair as well.

[JP226]

It's not necessarily unfair, the vast majority of Europe is one society. Outside of language and a few cultural differences, is a frenchman that different from a german, waffle, italian, or Brit? Not really, they maintain the same values, have the same priorities and political leanings. Europe is a society and will that society clamp down or be subdued by a real disesase known as muslim radicalism.

[Last Roman]

It's not necessarily unfair, the vast majority of Europe is one society. Outside of language and a few cultural differences, is a frenchman that different from a german, waffle, italian, or Brit?

Are you kidding? A world war was waged over cultural differences. Though mainstream Europe may see social progression as a common goal, that hardly means that they are the same culture. Tell a Frenchman or a Scot that he is basically a Brit and see what happens.

[mongoose]

It's like saying that a Mexican is basicly a Spanish speaking Canadian.

[Rapax]

is a frenchman that different from a german, waffle, italian, or Brit?

Uhm yes!? I don't know what kind of picture americans have of europe, but despite working together closely, it's still very much a collection of, sometimes very, different states and that "different language and bit of culture" does have a greater importance than you might think. Hence you're leaning out the window a bit much to talk about one society here, especially if you're claiming it will fall as one through radical muslims.

I think someone's taking some "threat" slightly too seriously.

Paranoia is big in the US. You always need something to be afraid of, communism, terrorism or radical muslims.

[Hansa]

According to demographic studies, with the same reproductive patterns and immigration as today, my country will have a whopping 11 percent moslem population by 2050, what a threat.

Anyway as Europe is basically a continent, i do not forsee such a shift in plate techtonics in the eaths crust that the European continental plate will dissapear within 100 years. Regardless of what moslems do. If there was to be a huge surge in ethnical and religious sectarioan violence in a future Europe, it is no big wonder who vould win. Who has the means of coersion. It vould be an ugly affair, sure, but the ones with the police forces and military forces vould still win hands down. Fortunatley such a civil war scenario is about as probable as if the Hispanics of the USA go to war against the ''whites''. The hispanics would be in a better position than Europes moslems (far higher numbers), but vould still loose big time.

If the gulf-stream stops to flow completely, the disasterous climatic effects that would have on Europe might temporarily break down European scociety, so could a full scale eruption of the supervolcano at the gulf of Naples or a megaasteriod hitting earth. Other than that I see no real threat to the breakdown of Europe right now, but a 100 years is a long time, maybe the Zargoz of Saturn has a beef with Bulgaria in 97 years and the EU desperately tries to help its member. So maybe vould be the answer.

EDIT: BTW, read this article (the initial one on this thread) about a week ago, on this forum if I remember correctly. A Twc member pointed out that the the Action Police trade union, was apparently a racist extremist obscure group if I remember correctly. Apareltly the article is originally older than the date shown at its start (or someone wrote the excact, or almost the excact same article).

[The Walrus]

"We shall never surrender"


Europe will never fall and become a totally Islamic state. When it gets very bad, Europe would unite to fight back. Unfortunately, to do this, we will have to take away freedoms. This will eventually lead into dictatorships. Which will lead to "kingdoms" battling it out. Which will lead to constant upheaval and warfare. Europe would go into a new "dark ages" and anarchy would occur in some countries. The US would be either a dictatorship or oligarchy or a somewhat democracy and we would have returned to being isolationist. On a side note, the islamic states would be in similar upheaval because of religious differences and the losses of the battle with Europe.But of course, this is worse-state scenario

[Holger Danske]

"We shall never surrender"


Europe will never fall and become a totally Islamic state. When it gets very bad, Europe would unite to fight back. Unfortunately, to do this, we will have to take away freedoms. This will eventually lead into dictatorships. Which will lead to "kingdoms" battling it out. Which will lead to constant upheaval and warfare. Europe would go into a new "dark ages" and anarchy would occur in some countries. The US would be either a dictatorship or oligarchy or a somewhat democracy and we would have returned to being isolationist. On a side note, the islamic states would be in similar upheaval because of religious differences and the losses of the battle with Europe.But of course, this is worse-state scenario

Or we could be barbaric for a brief moment and deal with the muslim problem with force and anti-muslim laws... But muslims are certainly the single biggest threat to Europe.

I would like to take this opportunity to extend a hand of friendship and a life line to our European cousins. Come to the USA. There is always room for Liberal minded people. Leave behind your self doubt. Leave behind your filthy suburbs. Dare to dream. Imagine the possibilities in a land that values imagination and spirit. Bring your engineers and your scientists. Bring your literature and your heritage. We appreciate all that you are more than yourselves. Come to America. Stand up for your ideas in a New World.

Yeah right... Like America was there when one tiny country single handedly defended one of the most important foundations of modern democracy against the muslims... "Imagine the possibilities in a land that values imagination and spirit" - Infact most Europeans have the same or better possibilities than the average american.

[Big War Bird]

I would like to take this opportunity to extend a hand of friendship and a life line to our European cousins. Come to the USA. There is always room for Liberal minded people. Leave behind your self doubt. Leave behind your filthy suburbs. Dare to dream. Imagine the possibilities in a land that values imagination and spirit. Bring your engineers and your scientists. Bring your literature and your heritage. We appreciate all that you are more than yourselves. Come to America. Stand up for your ideas in a New World.

[Fianóglach]

I would like to take this opportunity to extend a hand of friendship and a life line to our European cousins. Come to the USA. There is always room for Liberal minded people. Leave behind your self doubt. Leave behind your filthy suburbs. Dare to dream. Imagine the possibilities in a land that values imagination and spirit. Bring your engineers and your scientists. Bring your literature and your heritage. We appreciate all that you are more than yourselves. Come to America. Stand up for your ideas in a New World.

Pass. Thanks though mate!

[The White Knight]

I think someone's taking some "threat" slightly too seriously. Well, if Europe becomes an Islamic totalitarian state where gays can't marry, leaders talk religion and the government is as conservative and warmongering as can be I'm confident an American crusade will liberate us from such disgusting things.

Seriously.

[mrjesushat]

I would like to take this opportunity to extend a hand of friendship and a life line to our European cousins. Come to the USA. There is always room for Liberal minded people. Leave behind your self doubt. Leave behind your filthy suburbs. Dare to dream. Imagine the possibilities in a land that values imagination and spirit. Bring your engineers and your scientists. Bring your literature and your heritage. We appreciate all that you are more than yourselves. Come to America. Stand up for your ideas in a New World.

He's right. We've sunk to such a low degree that I just wrote "sunk" instead of "sunken". Ya'lls need to drop on by, 'cuz we'ens cud sho' use some ideaz.

Big War Bird correctly identifies the strength of the Empire. We need your talent, because we haven't got anything besides the guns and the tobacco.

Way to paint God's Own Republic in a positive light, Big ' Bird. Next time, we should hire a Chinese marketing firm. I think they could make us sound better than you just did.

[Garbarsardar]

Next time, we should hire a Chinese marketing firm. I think they could make us sound better than you just did.

That is the first sensible sentence I read in this thread. Prolly 'cause be it off topic.

[Bwaho]

Pre-Maturely aged means a person who physically ages early

that's not what I found when I looked it up:

Definition: Premature

prior to maturity, prior to full growth and development

and why did you tell me to have sex with someone like that? that's quite disturbing

I don't to be honest

so what about this?:

and I believe that no one should have the right to overrule another country's democratic decision regarding immigration policies

[Armfelt]

that's not what I found when I looked it up

Use your brain, I said pre-maturely aged (as in the process of aging, or growing older). Pre-Mature in the from that I put it, means that if something happens prematurely it happens before it would normally happen, therefore meaning a person who has physically aged faster than they normally would (in that case due to excessive use of solarium's and sunbathing). In fact using this dictionary http://lexin.nada.kth.se/swe-eng.shtml you will get the Swedish translation: "I förtid"

and why did you tell me to have sex with someone like that? that's quite disturbing

That you constantly feel the need to try to make it look like I said that I advised you to have sex with a child is the thing that I do find disturbing. In general it is not a good idea to base your perverted accusations on a word that you aren't sure that you completely understand. Why do you repeatedly bring on a false accusation that is irrelevant to our debate anyway?

so what about this?

So what about it indeed? Please elaborate.

[mrjesushat]

That is the first sensible sentence I read in this thread. Prolly 'cause be it off topic.

Yeah. I thought about saying something germane, but then I realized that the whole thread is reactionary nonsense over the thread asking if America will fall in the next hundred years. If you ask me, the very thread topic for this one makes no sense. How exactly does a whole continent, "fall"? Does the continent scrape its knee when it makes the boo boo?

Get real, people. We live in a very stable, even stagnant time in the world. Nobody is going anywhere. America has it all under control. Just lie back and continue to buy things online. As long as nobody messes with the financial institutions and the insurance rackets, all will be well. If you do mess with the big investors, you should expect some of their employees to drop by, in desert camoflauge, to rectify the situation.

[swabian]

Yeah. I thought about saying something germane, but then I realized that the whole thread is reactionary nonsense over the thread asking if America will fall in the next hundred years. If you ask me, the very thread topic for this one makes no sense. How exactly does a whole continent, "fall"? Does the continent scrape its knee when it makes the boo boo?

Get real, people. We live in a very stable, even stagnant time in the world. Nobody is going anywhere. America has it all under control. Just lie back and continue to buy things online. As long as nobody messes with the financial institutions and the insurance rackets, all will be well. If you do mess with the big investors, you should expect some of their employees to drop by, in desert camoflauge, to rectify the situation.

:tooth: dude, you're the embodyment of sarcasm

cheers

[harm]

ummm The earth won't be here in 100 years. Let alone Europe (America's lapdog)

Stephen Hawking <-- look at global warming section. It's the ****ing end of the days folks....might as well **** and be merry.