Crash to Desktop. I can no longer continue my Campaigns

**Dro** · August 28, 2014, 03:26 PM

Okay, So I started using this mod some time ago. And I've tried three Campaigns on it, and all end with a CTD. I'm starting to wonder if this mod if officially broken. Now I'm going to tell you all the details I have so far. I'm playing as Portugal on all campaigns on an Early setting with VH/VH. My first campaign went up to turn 89 and then crashed when the turn was about to reach the Rebels. Even old save files didn't do much. I would still crash on turn 89. Second try, was at turn 230 when it hit Genoa. And now, on turn 154. Again while changing turn, the Fatimid lay siege on one of my cities and as it is about to go to Scotland, it crashes. Now, I have reinstalled the game and the mod three times following all the instructions carefully but nothing seems to do anything.

- My Operating System is Windows 7 Ultimate 64x and I have UAC off.
- I have Medieval 2 and Kingdoms Steam version
- My kingdoms version is the latest(1.5).
- My version of Stainless Steel is 6.4
- I'm using the bugfix compilation plus The Next Heir sub-mod.

My log file:

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Now, I'm really tired of this mod and I'm about to just let it go really. I dedicate hours to this and do a lot of forward planning on what I want to do and this happens and all of it for nothing. Is there any fix for this? Can I recover my game?

**Dro** · August 28, 2014, 08:08 PM

I tried to disable game cache and auto saving, and that indeed let me play up to turn 158 which once again gave me a CTD on the Fatimid turn time.

**Dro** · August 29, 2014, 12:09 PM

Here is my savegame file if you need it as well.

**Melooo182** · August 29, 2014, 03:26 PM

There might be some issues with some traits triggers causing CTDs, however

If you open default.cfg in the SS6.3 folder and set the log to trace instead of error, the log will be much more revealing about what was going on before the crash, of course that log would be probably too long to post here, so you might have to compress it into a RAR or 7z before attaching it to the post in here.

**Dro** · August 29, 2014, 03:58 PM

Originally Posted by Melooo182

There might be some issues with some traits triggers causing CTDs, however

If you open default.cfg in the SS6.3 folder and set the log to trace instead of error, the log will be much more revealing about what was going on before the crash, of course that log would be probably too long to post here, so you might have to compress it into a RAR or 7z before attaching it to the post in here.

Alright. Thanks for that. I always wondered why the log was so small. So here it is, the real one.

**gsthoed** · August 29, 2014, 04:49 PM

When you press the end_turn button before the crash, is Edinburg under siege by anyone?

**Dro** · August 29, 2014, 04:58 PM

Originally Posted by gsthoed

When you press the end_turn button before the crash, is Edinburg under siege by anyone?

That is soo weird! IT IS under siege! But the weird thing is that the town belongs to the English, and it's being sieged by the English! O.o

**gsthoed** · August 29, 2014, 05:13 PM

Originally Posted by Dro

That is soo weird! IT IS under siege! But the weird thing is that the town belongs to the English, and it's being sieged by the English! O.o

LOL! Is this besieger named William? Anyone, try to kill this besieger (best solution) or move him to Ireland and report back if you still have CTDs

**Dro** · August 29, 2014, 05:27 PM

Originally Posted by gsthoed

LOL! Is this besieger named William? Anyone, try to kill this besieger (best solution) or move him to Ireland and report back if you still have CTDs

Hahaha! William Wallace is English and he's fighting the English! xDD

Is there a console command or something that I can use to kill him? I have nobody there and it would take turns to move them there.

**gsthoed** · August 29, 2014, 06:05 PM

Try this: Open console and run this

Code:

move_character scotland4wallace 31,236
give_trait scotland4wallace Locked 1

This way, Wallace will move in that specific point in Ireland and he will stay there until killed or die from old age.
Instaed of 31,236, you can move him near an army of a faction who is at war with England or your faction!

**Dro** · August 29, 2014, 06:17 PM

Originally Posted by gsthoed

Try this: Open console and run this

Code:

move_character scotland4wallace 31,236
give_trait scotland4wallace Locked 1

This way, Wallace will move in that specific point in Ireland and he will stay there until killed or die from old age.
Instaed of 31,236, you can move him near an army of a faction who is at war with England or your faction!

Right. The first command moved him to somewhere. But the second command gives a warning that it cannot locate the trait. I tried passing the turn but it still crashed.

**Dro** · August 29, 2014, 06:28 PM

YES!YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I did what you said! I moved him to one of my armies and killed him and pressed end turn and IT DID IT! Turn 159! Thank you so much! I'll rep you for eternity for this! : D

**Melooo182** · August 29, 2014, 07:54 PM

Lolwut?
english william wallace?

how is this possible? english bribed/married him before he attacked or something?

**gsthoed** · August 29, 2014, 09:00 PM

Originally Posted by Melooo182

Lolwut?
english william wallace?

how is this possible? english bribed/married him before he attacked or something?

Obviously,he accepted a marriage proposal or bribe before he attack Edinburg. He could have rebeled too. And, from the vanilla "William Wallace Uprising", he is still scripted to siege_settlement (attack) Edinburg (CS line 7931, bugfix compilation v1.21, early campaign). So, I see two CTD-sources that affect all similar scripts:
a) "William Wallace" is forced to attack his own faction. It's like "mongols at war with themselves" bug.
b) "William Wallace" (english) is forced to do a move in a foreign faction's turn (scotland's).

One easy solution I have in mind: Issue the "siege_settlement(maintain)" when Wallace is spawned. Do the "siege_settlement (attack)" stuff at "CharacterTurnStart Trait ScotlandHero = 1", when you can test if the corresponding general is still in his original faction. But there might be a more effective and more general solution... Something like this:
a) Spawn WilliamWallaces as usual. Issue the siege(maintain) in the same turn. Next turn, and if all are OK, a trigger in EDCT gives him a trait that gives him an extemely high attribute or an attribute that is not usually used for generals
b) At next scotland's FactionTurnStart: Spawn a dummy general, move him on Edinburg with "console_command move_character", lock his movement, issue him to move (this will trigger a MultiTurnMove event). In the MultiTurnMove monitor use the "HighestAttAdjacentChar" condition to check if "Wallace" is OK; if OK, issue the siege_settlement attack.

**Melooo182** · August 29, 2014, 09:18 PM

give him trebuchets and allow him to capture the settlement in his spawning turn, same should go for every other scripted siege then.

well the trait trick can work too, i'll have to make some other unique traits for the other scripted siege characters

**gsthoed** · August 29, 2014, 09:23 PM

I've edited my previous post.

Originally Posted by Melooo182

give him trebuchets and allow him to capture the settlement in his spawning turn, same should go for every other scripted siege then.

Can equivalently the "damage_walls" command do this job?

**Melooo182** · August 30, 2014, 09:02 AM

yeah maybe that can do the job

I did a trait for identifying other characters involved in scripted sieges and without altering much existing scripts they should only proceed if the character is still in his original faction.
Also edited wallace spawn code to make him appear closer to Edinburgh

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TO doesn't need this as both scripted sieges are done by the FL and FH and they cannot be married, bribed or rebelled IIRC
But changed the monitor anyway to use character turn start

**gsthoed** · August 30, 2014, 11:40 AM

I 'll try to write soon a version for this script, based on the "MultiTurn" approach.
Some things about your script:
a) If Wallace can CharacterTurnStart, it is obvious that he exists. Also, this monitor is difficult to terminate. BTW, why to use independent conditions and not the equivalent ones that had just been exported?
b) When we are to issue the attack command, he should stand exactly outside on "2, 59, 248"; not on "5, 59, 248". Also, if he is not spawned exactly outside Edinburg, no command is to be issued, as the monitor will terminate at " not I_CharacterTypeNearTile" condition in the first turn of the uprising.
c)Why use a new counter? Counter "wallace_spawned" can do the job.

Assuming he is not spawned on "59, 248" and we take this approach, I'd suggest this:
First, the triggers of the uprising:

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Next is the monitor that does the spawning; of course this could be done by the previous monitor if it was at PreFactionTurnStart. Next, the "CharacterTurnStart" monitor:

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EDIT: Actually, in order to avoid in second turn Wallace is following the "siege_settlement (maintain)" when the conditions are not appropriate, we can order him to move back to his initial position:

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**Melooo182** · August 30, 2014, 03:24 PM

Hehe I just used as template other scripted sieges and only edited names, coords, etc, yeah im a lazy copypaster xD

yours looks rather complex but if you think it does a better job, be my guest