arche seleukia OP?
Are Arche Seleukia slightly OP in this game? Played through ~150 turns as kh and won the game on short campaign (h/h), but even at very end things like household/army were struggling to reach even 50% of Arche Seleukia though I was 2nd largest faction in the game and controlled all of Greek and Italian mainland. They were just smashing ptolemai and other factions in the area
Centenarius
Re: arche seleukia OP?
The one who wins the Seleucid-Ptlomaic battle tends to be the dominant faction for a very long while. From my experiences, the Ptolemaioi seem to win somewhat more than the Seleucids. But then again EBII has changed a lot lately so the balance might have shifted. Also please share the AI progression pics if you like. You can post them here: http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...ression-ThreadOriginally Posted by Bingbangbong
Re: arche seleukia OP?
There is a problem with Seleucid general cavalry (or maybe heavy cavalry in general).
Medium battle, and the very hard map
I am Seleucid and...1300 of me (so quite a lot) and Egypt had 1700 (quite a lot as well).
So it is still close numbers.
Another battle was about the same, but I had 1000 or so and Egypt had 1500 or so.
Both battles my cavalry (the general cavalry) caused MASS routes. My spearmen and phalanx kept the enemy busy, while my cavalry charged in and caused a route within a second or two.
First battle...200 losses, Egypt lost over 1000 and their general
Second battle I was a bit more careless, 300 losses and egypt lost over 1000 again.
Seleucid cavalry just cause a route as soon as they charge...doesn't matter if they charge into spearmen or phalanx (from behind that is).
Even though my numbers were high...my generals could win pretty much win by themselves almost.
Maybe it is a Medieval 2 problem.
I remember in vanilla Medieval 2, my general (70 troops) attacked an army of over 1000 troops and my general won...yeah...
Re: arche seleukia OP?
Well, I noticed that from time to time, AI units rout rather quickly. In my first battle, I captured 2318 out of 2570 enemy troops due to that. I suspect that general's traits cause that.
Semisalis
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It is probably due to the passive AI problem since the disadvantage of seleukeia is that they are supposed to be threatened form every sides.
In my pahlava campaign, I took only four of their city but all factions just rushed in and seleukeia only have Tarsos and Sardis left.
Re: arche seleukia OP?
Here's their progression for me on h/h turn 143. Suppose they could still be due to collapse, but they seem to be doing better than on anybody else's progression maps.
With regards to units routing quickly, the rationing feature could be playing a big part in that.
Centenarius
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I guess it depends on the campaign.
See this campaign from the AI progression thread:
Praeses
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In my game, to the south they control Syria and North of Arabia, to the east they control what today would be Pakistan, to the north the are bordering Khwarezm, to the west they annihilated Ptolemy and Pergamon so large chunks of Anatolia. Cyprus and Rhodes is also theirs. (little more than 200 turns in)
Long story short, they are extremely powerfull. As Saba, earlier in the game I had to make a decision between attacking Ptolemy or Seleucids for expansion when things were balanced. I thought Ptolemy would be more realistic. Now as Ptolemy is coming to an end, I face a MASSIVE Seleucid empire which I am scared of attacking. And the more I wait, the more they destroy their potential enemies. Recently they attacked and grabbed land from Pahlava as well as Baktria. They finished of Pergamon and are eating away Makedon. Ptolemy is in its last bits.
I actually love that it is this way, but when the time for war comes, I feel like they'll really screw me over. If it is like they say though, as in if the AI cannot spam full-stacks due to unit-training thingy, then I guess I'll have worthy battles.
"Therefore I am not in favour of raising any dogmatic banner. On the contrary, we must try to help the dogmatists to clarify their propositions for themselves. Thus, communism, in particular, is a dogmatic abstraction; in which connection, however, I am not thinking of some imaginary and possible communism, but actually existing communism as taught by Cabet, Dézamy, Weitling, etc. This communism is itself only a special expression of the humanistic principle, an expression which is still infected by its antithesis – the private system. Hence the abolition of private property and communism are by no means identical, and it is not accidental but inevitable that communism has seen other socialist doctrines – such as those of Fourier, Proudhon, etc. – arising to confront it because it is itself only a special, one-sided realisation of the socialist principle."
Marx to A.Ruge
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in my pritanoi campaign pahlava are chewing through seleucids like theyre made of nutella
Semisalis
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I'd be extremely excited at a situation like that, Dogukan. After getting so used to having no issues on the Rome 1 engine, being in a situation where an enemy force may very well overwhelm you would get me very excited and happy.
Praeses
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I know, I'll make a massive preperation for invasion once I take control of Egypt. Its going to be clash of two great "eastern" empires. I honestly don't know how I can stop them unless they are busy sending large stacks to their borders in east and west by the time I open a "southern" frontline. Thats why I need to hurry before Pahlava, Makedon remnants and Pergamon in Bithynia-Thrace is destroyed.
Next to me, there is another giant, Carthage which took south of Italy(definetly won those Punic War in this alternate history), south of Spain and whole North Africa except for Egypt which is where Koinon Hellenon(Greek city state league was formed in an event, dont really know what it changed), Ptolemy remnants and I fight.
If only Rome made it through as well, then there would have been 3 realistic massive AI empires. Rome is being destroyed by Areukoi, so there is a massive tribal confederation up there the way I see it. Its none of my concern though, I just wish Rome was doing better to weaken Carthage, thats all.
Makedon too was doing well until they went against Seleucids, then they lost their Anatolian lands as well as the Cyprus-Rhodes to Seleucids and most of Greece to Epeiros.
Its so much fun to send spies around to see whats going on. I have a habit of not using toggle_fow thingy.
PS: I play on VH/H. As Saba, I had not really seen a lot of aggressiveness towards me. Then again, I started in a remote location and expanded in remote locations establishing good diplomatic links even before I bordered others.
The game was indeed slow in terms of AI aggressiveness for a while, at least faction vs faction, but after a point there were massive wars with large stacks all over the place.
Last edited by dogukan; August 27, 2014 at 07:36 PM.
"Therefore I am not in favour of raising any dogmatic banner. On the contrary, we must try to help the dogmatists to clarify their propositions for themselves. Thus, communism, in particular, is a dogmatic abstraction; in which connection, however, I am not thinking of some imaginary and possible communism, but actually existing communism as taught by Cabet, Dézamy, Weitling, etc. This communism is itself only a special expression of the humanistic principle, an expression which is still infected by its antithesis – the private system. Hence the abolition of private property and communism are by no means identical, and it is not accidental but inevitable that communism has seen other socialist doctrines – such as those of Fourier, Proudhon, etc. – arising to confront it because it is itself only a special, one-sided realisation of the socialist principle."
Marx to A.Ruge
Protector Domesticus
Re: arche seleukia OP?
^ Nice campaign, specially that punic war! A screen from the minimap maybe on the AI progression thread? If you prefer just go at the southern edge of the map in North africa eremus for the toggle fow. But which campaign difficulty?
Then, as throngs of his enemies bore down upon him and one of his followers said, "They are making at thee, O King," "Who else, pray," said Antigonus, "should be their mark? But Demetrius will come to my aid." This was his hope to the last, and to the last he kept watching eagerly for his son; then a whole cloud of javelins were let fly at him and he fell.
-Plutarch, life of Demetrius.
Arche Aiakidae-Epeiros EB2 AAR
Praeses
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Its Very Hard/Hard...I'll try to sort out the ss issue. I did just toggle_fow, I must say, after 200 turns, as a bit of a realism freak, I really liked the way the map looks.
"Therefore I am not in favour of raising any dogmatic banner. On the contrary, we must try to help the dogmatists to clarify their propositions for themselves. Thus, communism, in particular, is a dogmatic abstraction; in which connection, however, I am not thinking of some imaginary and possible communism, but actually existing communism as taught by Cabet, Dézamy, Weitling, etc. This communism is itself only a special expression of the humanistic principle, an expression which is still infected by its antithesis – the private system. Hence the abolition of private property and communism are by no means identical, and it is not accidental but inevitable that communism has seen other socialist doctrines – such as those of Fourier, Proudhon, etc. – arising to confront it because it is itself only a special, one-sided realisation of the socialist principle."
Marx to A.Ruge
Patricius
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Could you post a pic? I'm curious now.
Praeses
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"Therefore I am not in favour of raising any dogmatic banner. On the contrary, we must try to help the dogmatists to clarify their propositions for themselves. Thus, communism, in particular, is a dogmatic abstraction; in which connection, however, I am not thinking of some imaginary and possible communism, but actually existing communism as taught by Cabet, Dézamy, Weitling, etc. This communism is itself only a special expression of the humanistic principle, an expression which is still infected by its antithesis – the private system. Hence the abolition of private property and communism are by no means identical, and it is not accidental but inevitable that communism has seen other socialist doctrines – such as those of Fourier, Proudhon, etc. – arising to confront it because it is itself only a special, one-sided realisation of the socialist principle."
Marx to A.Ruge
Primicerius
Re: arche seleukia OP?
In my game they lost some provinces to rebels and pahlava and are at war with ptolemaioi, I think that it comes down to how the game evolves.
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