How does culture spread?

[QuintusSertorius]

The point of EB is to make everything as historical as possible. Do you have any evidence that a new region could be pacified fast and without tying up much of your army? From my experience in history people hate regime changes, especially if it's a different culture alltogether.

Precisely, and if you want an object historical lesson in how to get this wrong, look at Alexander the Great. Sure he defeated the Persian armies, but be put little effort whatsoever into actually integrating any of his spoils into a cohesive whole or actually managing any of them, then died leaving the whole project barely started. Which was then left to the Seleukid inheritors to try to turn a vast, diverse and unwieldy collection of satrapies into a functioning state.

I mean oh no, it takes several turns before your army can move on? Oh, the horror! I'm 15 years (more than 60 turns) into my game and I only just took my third province. Until I switched the government types around in my capital and second province, it was still touch and go whether they'd stay loyal.

[Schatzmeister]

I'm down with cultural conversion taking a long time and everything. But it would be nice to have a comprehensive explanation about how and at which rate culture is spread/increased.

[dogukan]

I'm down with cultural conversion taking a long time and everything. But it would be nice to have a comprehensive explanation about how and at which rate culture is spread/increased.

Yeah, we kind of need a guide for the whole features of the game and how they work. I also don't know what is in and not in that are "must have" stuff.

Guides regarding governments,cultures and reforms would be nice to have. I think for now, the priority is to fix initial bugs though, and the balancing.

[Kull]

Yeah, we kind of need a guide for the whole features of the game and how they work. I also don't know what is in and not in that are "must have" stuff.

Guides regarding governments,cultures and reforms would be nice to have. I think for now, the priority is to fix initial bugs though, and the balancing.

The mod is really complex, but many of those mechanisms have been tweaked right up to the release. It's a polite question, and I understand the desire for these, but in order to have released guides AND the mod....well, lets just say you wouldn't be playing it today and for quite some while to come.

I do expect some fans will work out the details and post guides to these things in the weeks and months to come. The team is sort of hoping for this since there really aren't that many of us.

[Lindorn]

The mod is really complex, but many of those mechanisms have been tweaked right up to the release. It's a polite question, and I understand the desire for these, but in order to have released guides AND the mod....well, lets just say you wouldn't be playing it today and for quite some while to come.

I do expect some fans will work out the details and post guides to these things in the weeks and months to come. The team is sort of hoping for this since there really aren't that many of us.

Maybe we should get a wiki started. Does anyone know how to kick something like that off

[bzhou]

The mod is really complex, but many of those mechanisms have been tweaked right up to the release. It's a polite question, and I understand the desire for these, but in order to have released guides AND the mod....well, lets just say you wouldn't be playing it today and for quite some while to come.

I do expect some fans will work out the details and post guides to these things in the weeks and months to come. The team is sort of hoping for this since there really aren't that many of us.

Would it be possible to open a subforum for strategy/guides/game mechanics, with a sticky listing all of the completed/highly rated ones?

[Kull]

Would it be possible to open a subforum for strategy/guides/game mechanics, with a sticky listing all of the completed/highly rated ones?

That makes sense, but I'm not sure when that will happen. At least we got the bugs subforum for now.

[the man, the myth, the legend]

I just added religious bonuses to temples, whatever, it still takes a while, maybe 4-10 years, but not 30 years like it was before. I mean the Med2 religion system uses priests, traits, and temple bonuses for religious conversion, without any of those things it just takes way too long regardless of historical anything.

[Floren d'Asteneuz]

Does anyone know how this work for pahlava ? I searched in the forum without success. Is there a reform or something ? Because all my cities are under 35 pc of the culture "steppe nomadism, which seems to be my culture. And since round 0 to now, round 178, it never moved.

[Moorafrica]

Does anyone know how this work for pahlava ? I searched in the forum without success. Is there a reform or something ? Because all my cities are under 35 pc of the culture "steppe nomadism, which seems to be my culture. And since round 0 to now, round 178, it never moved.

I think The Pahlava are meant to convert from steppe nomadism to estern imperial (you'll have to control all persia and irak, maybe also bactria to build your Pahlavan empire), since the parthians migrate from north to settle south in the persian / seleucid cities, it is absolutly normal that the steppe nomadism culture decreases !

[Floren d'Asteneuz]

I think The Pahlava are meant to convert from steppe nomadism to estern imperial (you'll have to control all persia and irak, maybe also bactria to build your Pahlavan empire), since the parthians migrate from north to settle south in the persian / seleucid cities, it is absolutly normal that the steppe nomadism culture decreases !

Thank you ! I discovered that through another thread but you are right. Except you only need to add L4 farms to four cities (western expansion, can't remember which one though) no need to expand a lot.

The thing is : I have my reformed cities, including some which are at maximum, and I don't have any building that gives eastern imperial. Nothing. Eastern imperial just stays low and it is a difficulty for my cities.

EDIT : the problem occures no matter the gov' type. (philelenoï, royal parthian gov', parthian gov' or parthian marches)

EDIT 2 : the thread about parthian reform : http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...Pahlava-reform

[Ballpoint202]

Thank you ! I discovered that through another thread but you are right. Except you only need to add L4 farms to four cities (western expansion, can't remember which one though) no need to expand a lot.

The thing is : I have my reformed cities, including some which are at maximum, and I don't have any building that gives eastern imperial. Nothing. Eastern imperial just stays low and it is a difficulty for my cities.

EDIT : the problem occures no matter the gov' type. (philelenoï, royal parthian gov', parthian gov' or parthian marches)

EDIT 2 : the thread about parthian reform : http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...Pahlava-reform

Some Parthian govt types give a religious bonus. I guess you'd have to look at the building browser after their culture changes. There are settlement size requirements and regional requirements (eg, must be in anatolia or baktria for certain types of govt) for some of them as well.

Military outposts also give eastern imperial culture increases, as I mentioned above in this thread.

These buildings only provide a cultural level increase if the province is under a threshold level of culture. If you want to increase it further, you need the next level of govt or military outpost, which might require the city to grow first.

I think that's it for Parthia.

[Floren d'Asteneuz]

Some Parthian govt types give a religious bonus. I guess you'd have to look at the building browser after their culture changes. There are settlement size requirements and regional requirements (eg, must be in anatolia or baktria for certain types of govt) for some of them as well.

Military outposts also give eastern imperial culture increases, as I mentioned above in this thread.

These buildings only provide a cultural level increase if the province is under a threshold level of culture. If you want to increase it further, you need the next level of govt or military outpost, which might require the city to grow first.

I think that's it for Parthia.

You are absolutely right. I checked the building tree and it says what you say.

The problem actually is that the tree is just different for every cities : sometimes some building gives culture, some times they don't, and you just have to check the tree of THAT city before creating your governement system.

It is never shown on the buildings when they are constructed, though.

[Guidrion]

I'm playing with Kimmerian Bosporos and it's a nightmare. In a good way because I feel how much greeks settlers are a complete minority and how my basileus has to tread carefully.
But I'm struggling to understand the social engineering I'm supposed to put in place to actually hellenize these damn barbaroi.

[Eyeshield5]

Not exactly sure how it spreads but it does spread slowly once you have taken control of it but it also means you have to check and plan ahead on your conquests and if you have enough resources to do so. It would be lame if you can just blitzkrieg through cities.

[bpax1601]

Yup, first play through as Bactria and no idea how to spread culture. I figured out indigenous military settlements spread eastern empire culture and not my own Hellenistic polity so i destroyed them but my culture doesn't seem to be rising in those provinces. I hope that it is possible to spread my culture to my minor provinces even if it is very slow.

[Lindorn]

Yup, first play through as Bactria and no idea how to spread culture. I figured out indigenous military settlements spread eastern empire culture and not my own Hellenistic polity so i destroyed them but my culture doesn't seem to be rising in those provinces. I hope that it is possible to spread my culture to my minor provinces even if it is very slow.

I'd really like to know more about this as well. Does anyone know the answers to these questions?

[Kull]

Governments and colonies. And conversion is supposed to be slow. The alternative is to make use of the existing native culture and build an Allied Government, and recruit their troops. The population will be a lot happier if you do this. If you want to immediately convert the province to your own religion, well, be prepared for lots of unhappiness and limited recruiting for a long time.

And when I say, "be prepared", that does not mean "suck it up pansies", but rather to plan ahead based on this reality. If the new province has a huge difference between your religion and theirs, don't fight it. Build the Allied Government. Recruit the Allied troops. AND. Build as many happiness improvements as possible. When you have a goodly number of those AND the province is no longer on the frontier of your empire, well, now is good time to convert. Demolish the Allied Gov, get one of yours in place, and start converting.

Edit: There have been a lot of complaints about the advisor, but he's giving you REALLY important information. Telling you to go build a colony. Which he won't, unless you can. That's really important information, if you are interested in religious conversions. Which you should be.

[Lindorn]

Governments and colonies. And conversion is supposed to be slow. The alternative is to make use of the existing native culture and build an Allied Government, and recruit their troops. The population will be a lot happier if you do this. If you want to immediately convert the province to your own religion, well, be prepared for lots of unhappiness and limited recruiting for a long time.

And when I say, "be prepared", that does not mean "suck it up pansies", but rather to plan ahead based on this reality. If the new province has a huge difference between your religion and theirs, don't fight it. Build the Allied Government. Recruit the Allied troops. AND. Build as many happiness improvements as possible. When you have a goodly number of those AND the province is no longer on the frontier of your empire, well, now is good time to convert. Demolish the Allied Gov, get one of yours in place, and start converting.

Edit: There have been a lot of complaints about the advisor, but he's giving you REALLY important information. Telling you to go build a colony. Which he won't, unless you can. That's really important information, if you are interested in religious conversions. Which you should be.

Thanks dude,

Can you give us any insight into how colonists are generated, if that can be controlled, etc?

[Kull]

Thanks dude,

Can you give us any insight into how colonists are generated, if that can be controlled, etc?

Not really my area, so I'm not clear on all the details. I think you need a city of a certain min size (large town maybe?)