will France burn again???

[KaerMorhen]

I just started this topic of curiosity about what you folks think. An friend of us(he's French) comes to pay us a visit. We have spoken about various thing but at most he's aware of public urests like it happened in recent past in major cities. He said that first and foremost France should tight her borders to immigrants especially those from Marocco, Algier and alike. Second thing he mentioned is to exceed Police power and rights. For me the most interesting was when Jean said that sooner or later France will wash away the dirt that covers her - for a while I thought I was looking at Robespierre incarnated.
So btw will subs of major France cities burn anytime soon - I think it's possible.

[Erik]

For me the most interesting was when Jean said that sooner or later France will wash away the dirt that covers her

WOW, and this racist is your friend? (or didn't he mean it the way I think he did?)

So btw will subs of major France cities burn anytime soon - I think it's possible.

Yes.
Riots in French suburbs are nothing new, and they won't go away until the problems there are solved and that will take a lot of time (decades rather than years).
And if the French politicians turn their backs to the suburbs again then it's going to take even longer.

[KaerMorhen]

WOW, and this racist is your friend? (or didn't he mean it the way I think he did?)

yes he is my friend and his opinions have nothing to do with it and he's no skinhead or something.

[MasterAdnin]

yes he is my friend and his opinions have nothing to do with it and he's no skinhead or something.

So your friend thinks that by stopping immigrants from entering France, it will stop the riots that had mostly FRENCH born people in them? He is racist and he is rambling incoherently and not even recognizing the problems in the country, although I myself have read only little bits of it, but I doubt that closing the borders would help.

Salaam,
Adnan

[mrjesushat]

That's got to be a minority opinion. But then again, given the history of Europe, maybe this kind of racism and ethnic bigotry will resolve itself into a party, and that party will rise to prominence. I'd doubt it. Many Americans like to think of Europeans as vastly ahead of the U.S. in terms of tolerance and toleration. It would be sad if we discovered that the spirit of Hitler is far stronger than is the spirit of Voltaire or Rousseau.

[Erik]

That's got to be a minority opinion. But then again, given the history of Europe, maybe this kind of racism and ethnic bigotry will resolve itself into a party, and that party will rise to prominence.

Already happened.
The extreme-right Front National is the 2nd biggest party in France.
But I doubt they will ever reach a majority.

[Sidus Preclarum]

Already happened.
The extreme-right Front National is the 2nd biggest party in France.

no, the third

But I doubt they will ever reach a majority.

I hope they don't

[Erik]

no, the third

Oh, my mistake.

I got confused because Le pen came second in the presidential election, so I assumed his party was also the second largest but it's not.

Still, many European countries have extreme-right parties.
They have their supporters, but the majority would never vote for such a party.
The idea is scary but I think in reality they aren't a big threat.

[Sidus Preclarum]

Oh, my mistake.

I got confused because Le pen came second in the presidential election, so I assumed his party was also the second largest but it's not.

fact is, a presidential election is as much voting for a man, as voting for a party or a political program. And as much as I despise him, I have to admit that J-M Le Pen is rather above most other politician in the arena, on a pure perfomance point of view, a true consumate Tribun. When he is gone, things won't be as easy for the FN.

Still, many European countries have extreme-right parties.
They have their supporters, but the majority would never vote for such a party.
The idea is scary but I think in reality they aren't a big threat.

they are more than scary, they are worrying .

[danzig]

Oh, my mistake.

I got confused because Le pen came second in the presidential election, so I assumed his party was also the second largest but it's not.

Still, many European countries have extreme-right parties.
They have their supporters, but the majority would never vote for such a party.
The idea is scary but I think in reality they aren't a big threat.

You europeans needs to learn moderation! Your left wing parties are waaaay to left and your right wing parties are waaaay to the right.

[Silver Guard]

Excuse me? Since when is the labour party far right or left? The Conservatives? Lib Dems? The BNP is the only far-right party I cn think of in Britain, and thats because I've only heard of five, the last being the Green party.
I disagree that the far-rightists are worrying, many of their policies are perfectly sound, at least compared to the left-wingers. Although I support central rather then rightists, I'd prefer them to leftist parties.
France will not burn, it will smoulder, it has been since the first revolution and the first republic, the french seem to have habit of overthrowing goverments and then protesting the one they had just set up. There are more strikes in france then most other places I know of.

[Farnan]

France will not burn, it will smoulder, it has been since the first revolution and the first republic, the french seem to have habit of overthrowing goverments and then protesting the one they had just set up. There are more strikes in france then most other places I know of.

That is right. Since 1789 France has had:
1 Absolute Monarchy
2 Constitutional Monarchies
2 Empires
5 Republics
1 Puppet State

That is 11 governments in 217 years, on average France changes government every 19.7 years...

That is including all the governments between the fall of the monarchy and the rise of Napoleon into one government.

[LoZz]

yer BBC said they might start the riots again, i know its not nice but i love watching riots, so in that respect i hope it does happen.

its a shame that france has not learned since last time

[Darsh]

yer BBC said they might start the riots again, i know its not nice but i love watching riots, so in that respect i hope it does happen.

its a shame that france has not learned since last time

one advice you should stop watching BBC

I prefer one riot than bombs personnally. :hmmm:

[Carach]

one advice you should stop watching BBC

I prefer one riot than bombs personnally. :hmmm:

dont know about that, but we know now how the french car industry keeps going - they burn all the cars then go out next day for a new one lol.

[Manji]

dont know about that, but we know now how the french car industry keeps going - they burn all the cars then go out next day for a new one lol.

Har har, I knew it!, Renault is behind this!

[Narakir]

I bet it's sarkozy will provoke a riot, juste by saying something silly like the last time, dumbs of the "banlieue" will burn cars and Sharko will have more votes... politics politics

[Carach]

I just started this topic of curiosity about what you folks think. An friend of us(he's French) comes to pay us a visit. We have spoken about various thing but at most he's aware of public urests like it happened in recent past in major cities. He said that first and foremost France should tight her borders to immigrants especially those from Marocco, Algier and alike. Second thing he mentioned is to exceed Police power and rights. For me the most interesting was when Jean said that sooner or later France will wash away the dirt that covers her - for a while I thought I was looking at Robespierre incarnated.
So btw will subs of major France cities burn anytime soon - I think it's possible.

Also, France should stop paying immigrants to move on to Britain.

And that police force of theirs can stop said immigrants pissing over war memorials too....

[KaerMorhen]

Also, France should stop paying immigrants to move on to Britain.

And that police force of theirs can stop said immigrants pissing over war memorials too....

but UK haven't faced that problem...yet. Germany and Holand could be in the que as well?

[Centurion-Lucius-Vorenus]

it looks like the only thing frnace is getting out of thier Immagration policies is thier soccer team, but does anyone know where i can read up on the situation ? They dont televise it much here in the U.S. and being french i would like to know whats going on.