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    Everyone complains about the lack of new blood in the Curia, about citizen-worthy individuals not being rewarded, etc. What I'm about to explain is something I've seen work very well on another forum with regards to promotion of members, so here goes. Didn't want to put it in the Proth as it's still fairly poorly thought out, and I don't like drafting legalese.

    - Have a team of individuals across disciplines (modding, writing, gaming, debate, staff, etc) who carry an expressed mandate to look for individuals who bear promise, particularly new members.
    - The scout team could double as a recruitment device for staff - before my tenure as editor of the Quill was cut short by inactivity, I was able form a solid team on the back of drafting 4-5 new members whom I'd seen contribute around the forums.
    - Over time the scout team could discretely refer worthy applicants to willing patrons (or vice versa) and have these individuals pass through the gates of the Curia.
    - Perhaps experienced citizens could put themselves forward as potential patrons for a particular field, e.g. I'd be happy to sponsor most folks in the Writer's Study if they were put to me and I personally thought they were worthy.
    - Etc etc.

    My reasoning is simple - a lot of the time new members see other guys with badges, positions of responsibility, bagloads of rep, etc. Often they are willing to contribute, want to contribute, but have no idea how to go about it the right way. Some might say the patron-client relationship should be organic - well these individuals are welcome to go out there and find clients (this doesn't stop the organic route of people sponsoring each other at all). But I feel having a more structured system could work too to accelerate the recognition of talent.

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    I would start now by asking who wants to participate in such team. So you would see how realistic it is in terms of number of members, which I think it is the first requisit.

    Then I suggest you to get all these voluntaries to discuss about the team tasks, organization and then present a proposal if needed, maybe it is not and it is fully efficient in its work with no other formality.

    This way you get first what has been a need in other teams, real helping members, as it seems that here we like to debate, no doubt about it, but then the implementation is many times doubtfull if there is no a real commitment.

    I am very busy modding, so I wont participate in the search.
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    Opposed, there is no need for such a committee

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    The main problem of the Curia if you will is not the lack of participation but the lack of a real purpose. By adding more people you do not change this basic dynamic.

    In other words, this proposal would essentially create a new committee with the job of recruiting members for another committee (the Curia) despite the fact that the latter committee (Curia) has no real purpose.
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    This will be a rough copy of the CdeC.

    Don't give the plebs a custom user title, give them the Curia!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Astaroth View Post
    The main problem of the Curia if you will is not the lack of participation but the lack of a real purpose. By adding more people you do not change this basic dynamic.

    In other words, this proposal would essentially create a new committee with the job of recruiting members for another committee (the Curia) despite the fact that the latter committee (Curia) has no real purpose.
    Exactly, this is again going along the lines of measuring success by activity. But if focus is given to achieving results, the curia can try and work towards some real purpose.


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    I do not see the utility of the proposal. It consumes some time but we all are free and have the ability to patronize people.

    And I do not understand how some people still does not understand "the purpose" of the curia. Sometimes we look like some kind of silly existentialist club.

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    I'm on the fence. 80% of what Robin has written is what I've been doing since I became a citizen but I'm sure if creating a new curial comitee is a good idea and Citizens should definitely not act as a recruitment device for staff. Nor are they needed to, Staff already recruits based on other members recommendations
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    Quote Originally Posted by mishkin View Post
    I do not see the utility of the proposal. It consumes some time but we all are free and have the ability to patronize people.

    And I do not understand how some people still does not understand "the purpose" of the curia. Sometimes All the time we look like some kind of silly existentialist club.
    Sometimes? I corrected that for you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bethencourt View Post
    I would start now by asking who wants to participate in such team. So you would see how realistic it is in terms of number of members, which I think it is the first requisit.
    There's a reason why I called this an "idea" - the cynicism towards doing something constructive with the Curia wasn't exactly unexpected.

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    Opposed, there is no need for such a committee
    Quote Originally Posted by Astaroth View Post
    The main problem of the Curia if you will is not the lack of participation but the lack of a real purpose.
    Quote Originally Posted by Hesus de bodemloze View Post
    This will be a rough copy of the CdeC.

    Don't give the plebs a custom user title, give them the Curia!!
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    Exactly, this is again going along the lines of measuring success by activity. But if focus is given to achieving results, the curia can try and work towards some real purpose.
    Quote Originally Posted by mishkin View Post
    I do not see the utility of the proposal. It consumes some time but we all are free and have the ability to patronize people.

    And I do not understand how some people still does not understand "the purpose" of the curia. Sometimes we look like some kind of silly existentialist club.
    People aspire to the Curia for whatever reason that they may - that alone is a purpose. The Curia itself doesn't "do" anything as an organised unit - but why does it need to?

    The Curia is its citizens. So long as these men set an example who aren't then that's a useful enough "purpose" as far as I'm concerned.
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    Which cynism?

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    Scouting team you say?





    This can be an unofficial team (not an elected committee) so no need for a proth proposal or constant elections. Maybe start a thread in the forum magnum and ask for volunteers? Even non-citizens can scout for contributors.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimkatalanos View Post
    Scouting team you say?





    This can be an unofficial team (not an elected committee) so no need for a proth proposal or constant elections. Maybe start a thread in the forum magnum and ask for volunteers? Even non-citizens can scout for contributors.
    This reminds me of the time when Q tried to trap me with some heineken and Arsenal pictures. I can see he managed to convince some.
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    I did go to the Heineken factory late last year .

    Anywho on this scout team. It's not a bad idea but I wonder if it's a bit too formal to start off with. When I was Curator I considered the idea of a pinned thread in the Curia where people could throw in names of people who could or should be citizen. Almost like a list of sorts because not everyone has the time to patronize. So you've got a thread right there with a bunch of names of normal members citizens could potentially link up with. People who don't have time to patronize can put tips on potential citizens in the thread. etc etc

    I think there's definitely merit in your idea. How formal it is and how something like this gets implemented is going to be key to whether it's something that works in reality.

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    ^Basically this. This thread could be opened and stick in the QP. The Curator could set up a couple of rules for that thread, so that it stays civil and there we go.


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    A thread does sound like a good idea. We don't even need a decision for it.
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    Exactly and with some straight forward rules for it, enforced by the Curator, it could do good.


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    I'm glad this is going somewhere. I think Omni's idea of a thread a like that could be great.
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    I'd back an informal sort of idea, I remember Omni's old idea, and it's a good one.

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    can not hurt, that's for sure

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