City pahfinding

[Angmar_nite]

Those of you who have played the gold demo, has pathfinding been improved in cities?

[Lusted]

Well its a bit diffcult to say as none of the battles take place in cities.

[Matty_P]

right-o, lusted!

it seems, though, that when you play agincourt and run around in the buildings there that it isn't an issue.

[Angmar_nite]

Alright...

But what about those pics of the aztec city.

[Lusted]

It's in the background of the map, the actual battle is fought on the plain.

[wipeout140]

It's in the background of the map, the actual battle is fought on the plain.

I was reading shellshock tried out and put English and French army in Aztec city in M2TW Custom Demo Thread

[Angmar_nite]

Is it out of bounds or simply like the small towns in Agincourt? if its like a small town, you can always edit start locations, or run cortez, calvary over there quickly.

[Sylver]

Now I'm curious.

I'll edit a large unit into the Aztec city and run around.

I've had the most problems in RTW with large units of Cavalry, so I'll start with that.

[Sylver]

I return with findings!

I noticed none of the annoying problems I had with large numbers of units in a city in RTW. Archers went on top of the walls with haste, no longer having to individually line up and march into a door. They all sort of scramble inside, which is nice. More units seem to be able to fit abreast on a city street, so that helps as well.

Although the Aztec gates are "closed" my French units were still able to run right through the gate as if it wasn't there, which is surely a demo thing, so I was also able to test out gate behavior.

I like it. Cavalry doesn't have to bunch up as much, so you shouldn't have a line of cavalry, 2 abreast, extending to the edge of the map trying to get in a gate anymore. It's just much easier, I was always getting annoyed with stupid units that didn't seem to know how to go through a gate properly in RTW, and I didn't get annoyed at all here.

However - It did get very, very laggy when I ordered 7 units of foot troops to exit/enter the gate. The lag continued until all units were deployed, and no longer coming through the gate. I also had 5 seconds of the game freezing when I selected all units and right clicked on a city street. All this on a machine where everything was silky smooth with all settings on high, 3000+ units.

The AI for siege behaviour doesn't seem to be in the game, because although the AI culverins did bombard the walls, the English were utterly unresponsive when I took a unit of French knights and slaughtered the gunners. They stared stoically into the distance as I proceeded to kill their General, Henry, and he was only a couple of yards away from the main body of the army. It looked kind of ridiculous to have 80 knights charging, disengaging and charging again while the army did absolutely nothing. Took a bit for Henry to die too, about 4 charges.

Heres something graphically neat... A cannonball hit the gate as I was testing the "mass infantry through a gate", and punched out a little hole. It also took out exactly a score of men, but that doesn't matter!

[Matty_P]

so the cannon actually put a hole in the wall?

[Steistas]

I noticed none of the annoying problems I had with large numbers of units in a city in RTW. Archers went on top of the walls with haste, no longer having to individually line up and march into a door. They all sort of scramble inside, which is nice. More units seem to be able to fit abreast on a city street, so that helps as well.

Very good news, because to see the units in line trying to get on to the wall one by one is a bit frustrating, especially when you counting precious seconds.

Heres something graphically neat... A cannonball hit the gate as I was testing the "mass infantry through a gate", and punched out a little hole. It also took out exactly a score of men, but that doesn't matter!

Lovely, cannonball really left a hole in the gate, that's a nice little feature