2nd world-wide community Total War survey [RESULTS]

[Hunterbear]

Took the survey. Hope it helps!

[alQamar]

Hi guys, despite the support from the TWC, totalwar.org, other forums, facebook and youtube the interest into the survey is dying. It is hard to understand the causes for that.

Also the new survey thread (link) on totalwar.com is very unpopular, unlike the first one was. In the first thread we had an active disussion and feedback and more than 1000 views within 24 hours but the new thread is barely visited, has quite no feedback compared to the old one and meanwhile is nearly on page 3, so probably out of focus.

Sad this happens. I really would wish to see more to happen on .com. It might be that the lenght of the survey is also a point that disencourage the people to take it.
Meanwhile the amount of people that do not finish the survey to the end is about 28%. That is a massive amount of feedback we loose over the way so basically from the nearly 1700 that started it about 1200 finished it at all. It will be much work to "normalize" all results before any analysis.

Compared to the much shorter survey fredrin made, we have a very very low participation. Maybe the fact it was shorter and also more discussed on totalwar.com - due its controversial / biased content, helped to get more popular than this one currently is. Without a proper discussion on totalwar.com we loose a lot of possible people that might be interested to take it.

I still hope that people, that might stay from the thread on totalwar.com due the former moderation issues, missed to realize the new situation. I think as soon people realize that the survey is accessible on .com again we could attract more people to join the thread and the survey.

So far we have also a good feedback on the survey. Only 6% were unsatisfied or very unsatisfied with it, on the other hand nearly 80% rated their satisfaction with the survey positive or very positive. The weighted average is now at 4 / 5 which means it is very accepted and appreciated across those that took the survey. Those results are also covered by the smaller sample we have here on the threads poll. Also there 80 % do appreciate the work of the survey team. This is a very good and encouraging result.

[RogueLeader]

Hi guys, despite the support from the TWC, totalwar.org, other forums, facebook and youtube the interest into the survey is dying. It is hard to understand the causes for that.

Also the new survey thread on totalwar.com is very unpopular, unlike the first one was. In the first thread we had an active disussion and feedback and more than 1000 views within 24 hours but the new thread is barely visited, has quite no feedback compared to the old one and meanwhile is nearly on page 3, so probably out of focus.

Sad this happens. I really would wish to see more to happen on .com. It might be that the lenght of the survey is also a point that disencourage the people to take it.
Meanwhile the amount of people that do not finish the survey to the end is about 28%. That is a massive amount of feedback we loose over the way so basically from the nearly 1700 that started it about 1200 finished it at all. It will be much work to "normalize" all results before any analysis.

Compared to the much shorter survey fredin made, we have a very very low participation. Maybe the fact it was shorter and also more discussed on totalwar.com helped to get more popular than this one currently is. Without a proper discussion on totalwar.com we loose a lot of possible people that might be interested to take it.

I still hope that people, that might stay from the thread on totalwar.com due the former moderation issues, missed to realize the new situation. I think as soon people realize that the survey is accessible on .com again we could attract more people to join the thread and the survey.

So far we have also a good feedback on the survey. Only 6% were unsatisfied or very unsatisfied with it, on the other hand nearly 80% rated their satisfaction with the survey positive or very positive. The weighted average is now at 4 / 5 which means it is very accepted and appreciated across those that took the survey. Those results are also covered by the smaller sample we have here on the threads poll. Also there 80 % do appreciate the work of the survey team. This is a very good and encouraging result.

I said to you this was not the right time for this survey do you remember alQamar. People dont care about Rome 2 they are angry and upset or just dont play it. Like my 10 other friends along with myself we dont care anymore. You have done much on this forum though and I thank you and appreciate it. Do a survey on EB 2 in about a week that will give some eye opening results.

[Butan]

Hi guys, despite the support from the TWC, totalwar.org, other forums, facebook and youtube the interest into the survey is dying. It is hard to understand the causes for that.

Dont lose hope and keep the survey up while multiplying messages all over the internet until being banned!
There is X random reasons it may have less or more overall votes than the 1st survey, the only thing you can control is you.


Even if it stopped at 1000 votes, its good enough to be representative.

[baptistus]

Hi guys, despite the support from the TWC, totalwar.org, other forums, facebook and youtube the interest into the survey is dying. It is hard to understand the causes for that.

Also the new survey thread (link) on totalwar.com is very unpopular, unlike the first one was. In the first thread we had an active disussion and feedback and more than 1000 views within 24 hours but the new thread is barely visited, has quite no feedback compared to the old one and meanwhile is nearly on page 3, so probably out of focus.

Sad this happens. I really would wish to see more to happen on .com. It might be that the lenght of the survey is also a point that disencourage the people to take it.
Meanwhile the amount of people that do not finish the survey to the end is about 28%. That is a massive amount of feedback we loose over the way so basically from the nearly 1700 that started it about 1200 finished it at all. It will be much work to "normalize" all results before any analysis.

Compared to the much shorter survey fredrin made, we have a very very low participation. Maybe the fact it was shorter and also more discussed on totalwar.com - due its controversial / biased content, helped to get more popular than this one currently is. Without a proper discussion on totalwar.com we loose a lot of possible people that might be interested to take it.

I still hope that people, that might stay from the thread on totalwar.com due the former moderation issues, missed to realize the new situation. I think as soon people realize that the survey is accessible on .com again we could attract more people to join the thread and the survey.

So far we have also a good feedback on the survey. Only 6% were unsatisfied or very unsatisfied with it, on the other hand nearly 80% rated their satisfaction with the survey positive or very positive. The weighted average is now at 4 / 5 which means it is very accepted and appreciated across those that took the survey. Those results are also covered by the smaller sample we have here on the threads poll. Also there 80 % do appreciate the work of the survey team. This is a very good and encouraging result.

wow, You take it to seriously.
You made a good survey, it is promoted everywhere. Now if people don't want to vote or to finish the survey, nevermind.
It is only a survey, it will not be THE survey.
And about the thread on totalwar.com, nobody up it so ....

You should not take it too seriously.

[Humble Warrior]

wow, You take it to seriously.
You made a good survey, it is promoted everywhere. Now if people don't want to vote or to finish the survey, nevermind.
It is only a survey, it will not be THE survey.
And about the thread on totalwar.com, nobody up it so ....

You should not take it too seriously.

Baptistus is right. Stick with what you've done and stop apologising. Some people are taking advantage of that to try to mess you and your survey up. You must ignore them now.

It's a good and very fair survey.

[alQamar]

I said to you this was not the right time for this survey do you remember alQamar. People dont care about Rome 2 they are angry and upset or just dont play it. Like my 10 other friends along with myself we dont care anymore. You have done much on this forum though and I thank you and appreciate it.

Well based on the low player retention and the fact this game has sold 1,3 million times, this might be a reason why the survey in December was more active. I hope, for the matter, you are not right Rouge. Of course I noticed too that outside the forums the anticipation has dropped (e.g. likes on facebook, views on Rome 2 videos). But there are still some exceptions to that rule. Lionheartx10 for example had thousands of views for his recent Total War content videos, but also we know that CA helped him a lot to get a new leading figure on youtube for the TW community as they invited him so many times now. For example on their official twitch channel.

It could be very helpful if Lionheartx10, THFE productions or other instances like GameDudester or ExtraCredits would join the case and do promos for this survey. Milkandcookies for example did that for fredrin's. So far I was not able to get into touch with them, but perhaps someone of you could help here to make them aware about this matter. It would be refreshing to see an announcement for the survey among the many DLC reviews

So far from the youtube community DarrenTW and TotalWarNetwork helped to promote the survey. As well as TotalwarLegend did outside youtube. This is a beginning, and I still think the awareness about the survey is still at the beginning so it is too early to give up, even though we had a rough start.

[RogueLeader]

No never give up I took your survey it was fine. When you dont care you just are not going to bother thinking about it or worrying about it. If they added features loved in the older games back I was hoping they would do this with the next DLC you would have your people for the survey and they would be happier and more apt to be receptive to another survey. You do steam numbers you know people left this game in droves and have never come back..

[daelin4]

I didn't think it was the wrong time to put up the survey, apparently Patch 14 was praised as the saviour from the gods since it allegedly solved so many things.

I just thought the way the survey was written could have been better, coupled with its considerable size length and scope, gave it a bad taste among those that bothered to take it.

I also think the survey was never really introduced to its subject: I went in wondering just what the survey was about- there had been many before, and this was the "second" one of its kind. That's not going to garner a lot of attention. And then we get people that claim its biased or too long.

IMO, that didn't help the survey gain awareness among the TW community. I for one can sympathize with people being disinterested in the idea (or after the experience) of a long survey. If it was designed along the lines of, say, the context of "post Patch 14/ related to siege AI/ coop campaign/ etc etc that would certainly give people reason to participate, even if they rarely appreciated or interacted with those things. If you made a survey about the way naval battles worked, I'd go all in about how much it sucks.

Still, I do somewhat agree RogueLeader: the game has probably just turned away so many people that any survey about it is a waste of time. Those that did would probably not be familair with the game today; a sour impression can do that to people.

[alQamar]

Thanks for your feedback, both. Well it is very interesting to see that those taking the survey in a big majority still play the game and also used the latest patch, basically this task aiming those audience has worked out well, but it is very hard to get a meaninful impression what happened to those which may have stopped playing. In this current survey they are in a clear minority. This is good for the constructive feedback, which we would not see that way perhaps if it only attracts the disgruntled and those which give up all hope.
I still do not share the point that this survey is biased. There is a very small amount claiming this as a problem and even less give clear examples where it is biased, such as sebidee discussed it. The lenght is the major problem, perhaps it was not a good idea to make a survey aimed at all the TW fans as you said previously.
Well basically we can only learn from our mistakes. As we did on the bias based on Fredrin's survey, then as you say it would be good to make the next survey much more focused again.

After all it is a hard task. I would like to know how many participants the official survey from 2010 had, CA made once.

[Wolar]

filled-in the survey, look forward to seeing the results.

[MindYourself]

Also took the survey, and it was a good one. I really think it's quite difficult to find any serious bias in it.
As far as publicity goes, why not try to make threads linking to this in the most important mods subforums? EB II is having a release these days, it would help a lot.

[alQamar]

Also took the survey, and it was a good one. I really think it's quite difficult to find any serious bias in it.
As far as publicity goes, why not try to make threads linking to this in the most important mods subforums? EB II is having a release these days, it would help a lot.

I am not sure if this is not against the rules. You can post some about it if you lke to help but please talk to the moderators of the subforums first.
Of course it would be nice to have people informed there as modding is a small topic on the survey as well.

[Adamwestisgod]

I dont really get why people keep on thinking its biased. I see no biasism in it.

[Sebidee]

I dont really get why people keep on thinking its biased. I see no biasism in it.

It's hard to find bias if you don't look for it and you could only have seen any (unintentional) bias if you went through it with a microscope. Still, that's necessary to keep it fair.

It doesn't matter anyway. The survey has been changed - it's perfect now.

[riskymonk]

If a game that has so much overwhelming negativity surrounding it to the point where even the fanboys are disappointed with its limited potential and lack of depth then a community survey that looks for improvements and suggestions is only inevitable. Notice how after the underwhelming reviews of CIG, CA didn't put HATG to review under the metacritic.

You'd think CA would welcome this information to help improve the current product and would like to put this information into use for their next tw title but I think they have their heart set on a particular target audience and unfortunately that's not us. Of course they're not the only company to abandon their core fans. Ubisoft is another great example.

[krisslanza]

While this isn't a bad idea, I have to admit it... feels kind of biased.
Up until the Rome 2 part it felt like a fairly normal survey, but the Rome 2 specific page just kind of reeks of personal bias in the questions. They are incredibly specific, and even cite particular 'examples' or experiences to reinforce the point.

For instance, in the rating of new features for Rome 2:

Graphics (complexity / diversity, environmental and units details - please also consider tech features like (missing quality antialiasing, missing tesselation, missing HDR etc)

Why did you need to add in the 'missing quality antialiasing, missing tesselation, missing HDR etc'? Simply putting in "Graphics" is all you had to do. Adding in that bit seems to be trying to influence the vote of someone by saying "Hey, did you know Rome 2 lacks these things?" or give the impression it does.

The section on issues (section 49) is also full of this problem.

To streamlined gameplay (e.g. no roads, no buildable fortifications for non capital cities...)

Simply 'Streamlined Gameplay', would have been sufficient. It doesn't need an 'e.g.' bit.

Barely implemented features - (including but not exclusive to politics, civil wars, client states, ...)

This entire one shouldn't even be a poll. The wording of the question is already biased, by stating such features are 'barely' implemented.

I won't go on much more with it. While I can appreciate the gesture, in the future, it might be best to have an outside source write the survey questions AND answers. The idea of a survey should be to gather as much unbiased, and uninfluenced information as possible. But this survey already has the scent of trying to subtlety influence votes, and also bits of bias.

[Sebidee]

While this isn't a bad idea, I have to admit it... feels kind of biased.
Up until the Rome 2 part it felt like a fairly normal survey, but the Rome 2 specific page just kind of reeks of personal bias in the questions. They are incredibly specific, and even cite particular 'examples' or experiences to reinforce the point.

For instance, in the rating of new features for Rome 2:

Why did you need to add in the 'missing quality antialiasing, missing tesselation, missing HDR etc'? Simply putting in "Graphics" is all you had to do. Adding in that bit seems to be trying to influence the vote of someone by saying "Hey, did you know Rome 2 lacks these things?" or give the impression it does.

The section on issues (section 49) is also full of this problem.

Simply 'Streamlined Gameplay', would have been sufficient. It doesn't need an 'e.g.' bit.


This entire one shouldn't even be a poll. The wording of the question is already biased, by stating such features are 'barely' implemented.

I won't go on much more with it. While I can appreciate the gesture, in the future, it might be best to have an outside source write the survey questions AND answers. The idea of a survey should be to gather as much unbiased, and uninfluenced information as possible. But this survey already has the scent of trying to subtlety influence votes, and also bits of bias.

That's probaly another tweek you should do al-qamar. You shouldn't inform people about problems, if they don't know about them themselves then it's not an issue to them.

[tungri_centurio]

While this isn't a bad idea, I have to admit it... feels kind of biased.
Up until the Rome 2 part it felt like a fairly normal survey, but the Rome 2 specific page just kind of reeks of personal bias in the questions.

it felt like a normal survey to me, no real personal bias imo,its the way alot of people feel about the game...

[krisslanza]

it felt like a normal survey to me, no real personal bias imo,its the way alot of people feel about the game...

Saying that is saying the questions are biased - towards what you perceive as the majority of people's views. The survey questions should be entirely neutral. They shouldn't reflect any level of 'feelings'.