ROME II Free- LC & Daughters of Mars DLC- OUT NOW

[Karnil Vark Khaitan]

You can create your own 3D Models, if you got the skills you can create all you want no need to wait for CA to make a unit DLC that adds a few new models to the game. But you properly cant then i say learn its not that hard and safe you money and CA can make some real changes to the game. Because all those unit DLCs dont really add to to game if you ask me.

I Hope CA now finally make the last two DLCs worth my money with some real game changing elements. Or i dont really see any hope for RTW II.

Which I don't have, I have only made 3 "good" 3d model in my life, nor do I have the complete knowledge of porting 3d into the engine, nor do I want to steal anyone else work.
So For me this DLC was a great deal.

I can show you 1 good guide and you can try it out, and see how hard it is :3

[Spartan198]

OK.

It's time for someone who *likes* this DLC to step forward and explain why, without recourse to rhetorical verbiage like

• It pisses off the haters
• If they offered actual game features as DLC it would just look like cut content
• Women gladiators/warriors/mounted archers/whatever units existed
• You don't have to buy it
• I buy everything to support SEGA/CA
• It's just a game

Obviously I am baffled by this sort of content. But I'd like to understand where people with totally different views than mine are coming from. Is it the fantasy appeal -- let's pretend battles were decided by screeching women? Are you looking forward to Warhammer for this reason? Do units like this have some sort of relevance to MP? Is it all just to have a big laugh, joke DLC?

I'm genuinely interested.

You and others here have already decided it's "wrong" for anyone to be interested in this sort of thing and that we all have to want what the historical-accuracy-only nuts deem appropriate for us, so what's the point in even trying to explain?

[ABH2]

i would prefer CA to provide a fun base game with strategic depth and an interesting empire management element, and then give it to modders to create a more historically accurate world. I don't think CA is interested in doing that, and it seems to me that modders are just in a better position to do so. They have the opportunity to use their extensive knowledge of history to create a much more accurate representation of anchient warfare than CA has the time or interest to create.

I don't disagree with anything you posted. I don't really mind CA adding female units to vanilla when I don't play much of vanilla. It's a minor annoyance for me as someone who has decided to mod this game.

My bigger issue is that CA could have given us some interesting tools to represent females in the game. I've already outlined those tools.

I would have liked to have had the ability as a modder to make mixed units of males/females. That may have also had other applications for modders (mixed modeled units would create some very interesting possibilities).

Instead, we got a bland unit pack that was the absolute easiest thing for them to make on top of being almost entirely fantasy based.

[saxnot]

I don't disagree with anything you posted. I don't really mind CA adding female units to vanilla when I don't play much of vanilla. It's a minor annoyance for me as someone who has decided to mod this game.

My bigger issue is that CA could have given us some interesting tools to represent females in the game. I've already outlined those tools.

I would have liked to have had the ability as a modder to make mixed units of males/females. That may have also had other applications for modders (mixed modeled units would create some very interesting possibilities).

Instead, we got a bland unit pack that was the absolute easiest thing for them to make on top of being almost entirely fantasy based.

I guess we're in agreement. The possibility of mixed units would have made this a much more interesting DLC. As it is, this was a missed opportunity, but the product that exists is pretty inoffensive.

[Symphony]

OK.

It's time for someone who *likes* this DLC to step forward and explain why, without recourse to rhetorical verbiage like

• It pisses off the haters
• If they offered actual game features as DLC it would just look like cut content
• Women gladiators/warriors/mounted archers/whatever units existed
• You don't have to buy it
• I buy everything to support SEGA/CA
• It's just a game

Obviously I am baffled by this sort of content. But I'd like to understand where people with totally different views than mine are coming from. Is it the fantasy appeal -- let's pretend battles were decided by screeching women? Are you looking forward to Warhammer for this reason? Do units like this have some sort of relevance to MP? Is it all just to have a big laugh, joke DLC?

I'm genuinely interested.

I'll bite, in spite of the incredibly leading, binary, and dismissive way you asked the question.

I like it because it adds unit diversity to the base game. Even though you've dismissed this answer for entirely arbitrary reasons, I play games for the game content, not for ultra-strict historical accuracy; I've a library of actual history texts when I'm looking for accuracy. Let's face it...over the course of a game this long, with victory conditions that force you to push on long past the point where you're unassailable just to officially finish a campaign, more diversity is better. I get sick of armies comprised of the same units, and more options is better. Is it AMAZINGLY more diverse now? No, of course not; it's a handful of new units. In my opinion, every little bit helps, and the minimal amount of diversity it adds is worth the minimal $2.99 charge to me.

It's not the greatest thing ever...I wasn't exactly looking forward to these particular units. Nor does this mean that I "love the fantasy appeal", and I'm eager to "pretend battles were decided" by anything; there simply aren't enough of these units, and they're not SO horribly ahistorical, that it completely destroys some kind of deep suspension-of-disbelief I had going on. Elves, orcs, ponies, machine guns, all the absurd examples brought up in this thread? Yes, those would bug me. These units? Meh...sure, they're not entirely accurate, but they're not SO bad that I'll turn my nose up at them. For 3 lousy bucks, it's nice to have a little extra diversity.

Now, please proceed to dismiss my opinion as invalid for completely arbitrary reasons.

[Huberto]

Let's face it...over the course of a game this long, with victory conditions that force you to push on long past the point where you're unassailable just to officially finish a campaign, more diversity is better. I get sick of armies comprised of the same units, and more options is better. Is it AMAZINGLY more diverse now? No, of course not; it's a handful of new units. In my opinion, every little bit helps, and the minimal amount of diversity it adds is worth the minimal $2.99 charge to me.

OK I appreciate the candid answer. All I would say is that I agree with you that the problem rests with the game itself; it's a shame that CA sees a fantasy unit as the practical way to solve the problem of boredom playing out a campaign.

Also it's unfortunate that so many of you apparently are all too happy to indulge them in this, rather than saying no and urging them to solve the problem of the campaign boredom in a more substantive way and by staying true to the era. I mean this is the best they can do with the 1st C. BC? A ridiculous civil war and some throw away fantasy units? The late game setting of TWR2 is one of the most amazing and interesting historical periods ever.

[geyserik]

OK I appreciate the candid answer. All I would say is that I agree with you that the problem rests with the game itself; it's a shame that CA sees a fantasy unit as the practical way to solve the problem of boredom playing out a campaign.

Also it's unfortunate that so many of you apparently are all too happy to indulge them in this, rather than saying no and urging them to solve the problem of the campaign boredom in a more substantive way and by staying true to the era. I mean this is the best they can do with the 1st C. BC? A ridiculous civil war and some throw away fantasy units? The late game setting of TWR2 is one of the most amazing and interesting historical periods ever.

I agree Huberto they need to move on from this needless crap dlc and bring out a full expansion that will flesh out this game and be worth purchasing!

[Hetairos]

Oh god, I actually was kind of thinking: "Hey, CA got it, finally! Patch 14, YES! Looks like they finally made the right track."

A few day afterwards, some Suebi tweets: "Oh god, I see it coming. Apparently, the BoW de-realism of Rome II was not enough"

Today: "It is official, another regression (from a historical / realism / simulation viewpoint)." Total War as it was is definitely dead. Apparently CA will keep their course until the end and there will be definitely no new course or reversion to the essential game design of Shogun II or past Total War games. There is nothing educational or immersive in this game anymore. Hello, Hollywood and the Brave New World!

Anyways thanks for bringing us women on bloody and cruel ancient battle fields to slaughter them in thousands... Why not bring their children as well?

But maybe make them look more epic like that?

Dragon Ball Noblechildren

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I mean we already have their pets and mothers, so what?

What a pity. My viewpoints and expectations what a good game is, have been derailed and invalided out by this modern world... Well, apparently this was my last time having fun with Total War.

All the best for the future guys and enjoy the new and definitely persistent TW style.

( PS: If you guys fail and sink the Total War franchise, please sell the rights to another company with a more serious vision on TW I hardly can believe that I am the only one that doesn't understand what you guys are doing with the once golden franchise.)

[M2TWRocks]

Good news: Suebi is getting some love.
Bad news: Fantasy women units everywhere.

[IlluminatiRex]

Last warning, no off-topic or sexist posts.

[Anna_Gein]

"Daughters of Mars" !

lol.

Creative Assembly : surpass the limits of creativity to make you laugh harder every day.

[ABH2]

Anyway, her fervour obviously got all the men together (there was obviously no man of leadership quality at that point) and they attacked. Most probably by fluke they overwhelmed the first romans who never expected such an attack and there the whole thing rolled on, gaining more momentum. I'll bet it was much like Joan of Arc for the men, new, amazing and surely she was blessed by the gods.

Here's the thing - Boudica, who everyone always mentions, really wasn't the military leader. There were occasional females in leadership roles over men in the ancient world. It wasn't common at all, but it did occur. Boudica didn't actually plan campaigns or battles. She relied on a male general to do that for her. She was a rallying point against the Romans, and not much else.

There are legitimate examples elsewhere few people mention. At the same time, if they wanted women represented in the game:
1. Family tree, which has been mentioned extensively. Women are completely absent from the game and it is an issue that people have complained about. Instead of fixing that, we get this...
2. The occasional female general or queen for certain cultures. It should be rare, but it wouldn't have been as ridiculous as the fantasy units in the DLC.
3. Made it possible to mix the occasional female in with the male units for some of the nomadic tribe cultures where it was historically plausible that they did fight.
4. Perhaps some garrison units for certain cultures, as again, we do know of instances of females defending themselves and their homes. The barbarian factions, and even the Spartan women could have been shown.

Instead we get female gladiators, Lusitani sword women, and units of spear wielding German girls. None of this is plausible.

[Super7700]

This actually looks like quite a decent DLC. What I like about it is that it provides additions to the game that aren't necessary for the period yet are still interesting and unique. On the other hand the faction packs effectively lock factions which could be previously accessed through mods, and adding meaningful features like a family tree or politics in a DLC would simply look like CA trying to sell cut content. Furthermore, it gives the modders more to play with.

Here's the thing - Boudica, who everyone always mentions, really wasn't the military leader. There were occasional females in leadership roles over men in the ancient world. It wasn't common at all, but it did occur. Boudica didn't actually plan campaigns or battles. She relied on a male general to do that for her. She was a rallying point against the Romans, and not much else.

There are legitimate examples elsewhere few people mention. At the same time, if they wanted women represented in the game:
1. Family tree, which has been mentioned extensively. Women are completely absent from the game and it is an issue that people have complained about. Instead of fixing that, we get this...
2. The occasional female general or queen for certain cultures. It should be rare, but it wouldn't have been as ridiculous as the fantasy units in the DLC.
3. Made it possible to mix the occasional female in with the male units for some of the nomadic tribe cultures where it was historically plausible that they did fight.
4. Perhaps some garrison units for certain cultures, as again, we do know of instances of females defending themselves and their homes. The barbarian factions, and even the Spartan women could have been shown.

Instead we get female gladiators, Lusitani sword women, and units of spear wielding German girls. None of this is plausible.

Those units are based on rare examples and CA has greatly exaggerated their significance, but they existed nonetheless. For instance there are historical records of gladiatrices, just as there are records of Lusitani women fighting alongside the men. I do however fully agree that women should be present in the examples you give, but hopefully these things can be added by the modders now that they have the appropriate models.

[IlluminatiRex]

Thread reopened. Make sure to stay on-topic (discussing the DLC), not CA's business policies (which can be done here), feminism, moderation policy (which can be done here), or insults.

Once again, Thread Reopened.

[Pistola Pablo]

Thanks CA

Much appreciated on the Free LC!

[LestaT]

Anyone who purchased it, which unit won between Gladiator and Gladiatres ?

[Sp4]

Anyone who purchased it, which unit won between Gladiator and Gladiatres ?

Quick look at the stats says it's pretty even.

Gladiators have more health, gladiatrixes have more morale. Everything else is the same.

[Causeless]

Anyone who purchased it, which unit won between Gladiator and Gladiatres ?

I tested it, and it seems pretty much even. The gladiatrices will die a lot quicker, but they'll fight a lot longer... Gladiators fought until they have 40-ish men left and the gladiatrices fought until they had about 20-ish left.

When I tested it, the gladiators won but both units were wavering. I feel like depending on what abilities were used, the fight could go either way.

[pirro]

I tested it, and it seems pretty much even. The gladiatrices will die a lot quicker, but they'll fight a lot longer... Gladiators fought until they have 40-ish men left and the gladiatrices fought until they had about 20-ish left.

When I tested it, the gladiators won but both units were wavering. I feel like depending on what abilities were used, the fight could go either way.

That's far from realistic, but oh well

[Destraex]

Can I ask if these unit packs add any new tactics, features or skill sets that I can see tangibly?
In other words apart from stats they are just flavour units right?

Let me know when my beloved naval warfare is finished. Don't care if it is paid DLC. Just make me a ancient naval simulator.
Unfinished things like corvus and grapple thower are still not finished and basically proved that because the mechanics were unrealistic they would never have worked. I mean you don't need a corvus when you are just jumping from bow to bow.


I agree with those that say adding female generals and such would have been better than this.