ROME II Free- LC & Daughters of Mars DLC- OUT NOW

[crawe1]

I think this is actually a fairly reasonable move on CA's part. A lot of people have been asking for an update to the Suebi roster and there have also been a fair few requests for female units. Giving the Suebi and a limited number of the female units for free is the right thing. As for offering the rest of the female units as part of paid DLC, that's also cool - those who want them can pay, and those who don't can steer clear. The release of female models also gives modders more material to work with, which again isn't a bad thing.

[Epic28]

Is there a rally point coming tomorrow to tell us about what you told us today, only it'll be tomorrow? Zing.

[Aenima]

1 - is this something that you can opt out of or is it automatically downloaded?

2 - is there actually a historical precedent to adding these units in? Besides the Scythian women no major instances of women fighting in war comes to mind for me.

[alQamar]

Another serious question @JoeyCA: Will the female scythian horse archers have only one breast in the unit model? I've heard they really performed an amputation to make them handle the bow better while riding?

[Karnil Vark Khaitan]

Another serious question @JoeyCA: Will the female scythian horse archers have only one breast in the unit model? I've heard they really performed an amputation to make them handle the bow better while riding?

thinking its back in the really old days, and only 1/5 survived a a amputation in the 1800th, I do believe the numbers could be higher back in the old days.
So my money is on it properly didn't happen. :3
I mean they didn't knew of sanitisation, nor blood transfusion and I could keep it going.
I believe they just knew what a war damage is, and just chop chop stuff of.

[crawe1]

Another serious question @JoeyCA: Will the female scythian horse archers have only one breast in the unit model? I've heard they really performed an amputation to make them handle the bow better while riding?

But is there any hard factual evidence of this? I've heard the rumours, but always assumed it was an ancient version of an urban legend. Surely it would have been far simpler (and less painful) to strap them down rather than slicing them off.

[Causeless]

Another serious question @JoeyCA: Will the female scythian horse archers have only one breast in the unit model? I've heard they really performed an amputation to make them handle the bow better while riding?

All the greek illustrations showed them with both breasts intact... it's not exactly realistic either way, though, because it was essentially nothing other than ancient porn. The supposed locations of the amazons tribe was always beyond the reach of the greek known world, in some mythical far off land they knew little about... the probability of a female-only tribe is ridiculous at best.

[alQamar]

All the greek illustrations showed them with both breasts intact... it's not exactly realistic either way, though, because it was essentially nothing other than ancient porn. The supposed locations of the amazons tribe was always beyond the reach of the greek known world, in some mythical far off land they knew little about... the probability of a female-only tribe is ridiculous at best.

Ah ok so it mixed up Scythians with an amazonian tribe? Never mind.

[Wolodimir]

Ah ok so it mixed up Scythians with an amazonian tribe? Never mind.

the amazonian tribe never existed probably and we know that greeks wrote much crap about northern people which was proven wrong by archaelogy.There existed some female warriors among scythians and sarmatians but their importance is today quite overrated and their number was very small

[Dan113112]

All the greek illustrations showed them with both breasts intact... it's not exactly realistic either way, though, because it was essentially nothing other than ancient porn. The supposed locations of the amazons tribe was always beyond the reach of the greek known world, in some mythical far off land they knew little about... the probability of a female-only tribe is ridiculous at best.

Reminds me of something lindybiege said.

Indeed there were women gladiators and some evidence of women fights in rare cases of certain cultures... Heck, I was even doing a sig pic for next week with boudica. I just don't like history messed up- I want to see how it WAS not some 21st century-feminist idealism of how it wasn't. That's why i play Total War.

Agreed. Although I can see that others, especially female gamers, might like this DLC.

I hoped this was a joke, but unfortunately it isn't.

I won't even rage now. I am just laughing hard at the sheer hilarity and incompetence of CA to make this game more playable. Most sensible points about how these kind of unit packs are farcial have been made already. Glad I uninstalled Rome II already.

By the way, if CA was going to make a fantasy game in the first place with 21st century feminist view of proffessional female soldiers (which didn't exist until 1915, and only came into full view with WW2), especially the ridiculous Gladiatrices or whatever they are, they should've stated that during September 3 in the first place that they are making a fantasy game. There was zero need to decieve the customers.

You could just play realism mods. There are some good ones out there. I wouldn't care about the female units if they were optional or had a very low unit cap. Remember that different people work on units and AI. AI is where they need to keep working for sure. I doubt this DLC took many resources to make.

Most of what you say is true. Now while the story of Boudica is fascinating and I enjoy reading how it came about, she was not some kind of brilliant general and least of all a feminist icon.

It's quite simple, the Romans treated her and her family shamefully and she got mad about it and energised the rest of the demoralised men to do something about it. That's what made her different. Most women would've just given up and taken it as another piece of crap in life, but she didn't... perhaps other circumstances helped too, but we are not privy to those details.

Anyway, her fervour obviously got all the men together (there was obviously no man of leadership quality at that point) and they attacked. Most probably by fluke they overwhelmed the first romans who never expected such an attack and there the whole thing rolled on, gaining more momentum. I'll bet it was much like Joan of Arc for the men, new, amazing and surely she was blessed by the gods.

Let's not forget that she showed absolutely no mercy to the civilians men, women and children of towns sacked. If you think she'd make it easier on you cos you're female, forget it (google why but not if you're sqeamish).

Finally, when it came to real battle strategy and tactics it was more of a simple straight attack and with Suetonius, now ready to fight, well, it was all over. Truth is, no one should lose a battle when they have nigh 60000 men versus around 6000.

That said, if Boudicca had been schooled in military tactics and strategy early on, the outcome might've been very different.

Here's the thing - Boudica, who everyone always mentions, really wasn't the military leader. There were occasional females in leadership roles over men in the ancient world. It wasn't common at all, but it did occur. Boudica didn't actually plan campaigns or battles. She relied on a male general to do that for her. She was a rallying point against the Romans, and not much else.

There are legitimate examples elsewhere few people mention. At the same time, if they wanted women represented in the game:
1. Family tree, which has been mentioned extensively. Women are completely absent from the game and it is an issue that people have complained about. Instead of fixing that, we get this...
2. The occasional female general or queen for certain cultures. It should be rare, but it wouldn't have been as ridiculous as the fantasy units in the DLC.
3. Made it possible to mix the occasional female in with the male units for some of the nomadic tribe cultures where it was historically plausible that they did fight.
4. Perhaps some garrison units for certain cultures, as again, we do know of instances of females defending themselves and their homes. The barbarian factions, and even the Spartan women could have been shown.

Instead we get female gladiators, Lusitani sword women, and units of spear wielding German girls. None of this is plausible.

Why do I get the feeling that Boudica was just some tribal noblewoman who had herself and her daughters raped and went on a psychotic killing spree? Hardly a role model.

They haven't bothered for months now. This farce shouldn't really come as a surprise for any. But as one said I hope CA runs this franchise into the ground and sells it (cheaply) to someone with actual passion for strategy games and ambitions for TW.

I hope Total War gets better but why do people hold it up as some golden strategy game? It was never big on historical accuracy, authenticity, or strategy. Just look at the AI in vanilla Total War games. Although, the few times I played Shogun 2 I was surprised at how well the AI worked compared to other vanilla Total War AIs.

[Doge Almighty]

[Insert some irrelevant mumbo jumbo here since this bullcrap is also by all means irrelevant to the game] #wellplayed #nore

[nodithegreat]

@joeyCA could you please answer whether you guys are thinking about a political system revamp an civil war. At least give us something to hope for.

[Teos16]

Oh no. Not unit pack again

[JaM]

i just hope this is just a really bad joke...

[Causeless]

i just hope this is just a really bad joke...

You've gotta remember that the main game isn't realism-focused.

[Sint]

Great, so don't buy the DLC.

I won't ...,but just reading it is already enough to make me laugh...can't even watch the Trailer I would probably die.

i just hope this is just a really bad joke...

It's not a bad joke I'm laughing since I've heard it.

[JaM]

why it has to be free LC? i dont want it.. i would prefer it to be payed so i wont be bothered by those units at all.. you guys outdid yourself.. after totally ridiculous Beast of War DLC, you managed to make something even more ridiculous... and i thought it would be not possible... bravo..

[anandus]

why it has to be free LC? i dont want it.. i would prefer it to be payed so i wont be bothered by those units at all..

Why don't you just turn it off?
Right mouse click, choose 'view downloadable content' and then you can turn on [✔] or off [ ] whatever you want:


Personally I like both the free-LC and the DLC, so will be buying it, if it's in the Beast of War price tier.

[JaM]

Why don't you just turn it off?
Personally I like both the free-LC and the DLC, so will be buying it, if it's in the Beast of War price tier.

because you cant.. game will update automatically even if you have autoupdating off, and force you to have this LC no matter what...

[anandus]

because you cant.. game will update automatically even if you have autoupdating off, and force you to have this LC no matter what...

Nonsense. Reread my post, I've updated it with instructions