What the Hell with Carthage ?

[Purplzhazy]

Hello, I have just started a game with Carthage but there are some crazy things.
First of all, all general's bodyguard are elephants ... They should be cavalry. How can you use a general in a battle if he is riding an elephant ????? It's silly.
Then, the game start before the first punic war, ok ! So why does Hannibal be already here ?
I mean, the Barca family started with Hamilcar ( his father ), right ? I don't think there was an other Hannibal in this family before the mighty one.
In conclusion, we should have Hamilcar, isn't it ?

Maybe this is Vanilla stuff, but how can someone play with this kind of anachronism ?

[m_1512]

Would you believe that Romans have Scipio right in the first turn? Anyways, this is a game. To make historical generals possible, you will need to work on the source code. At this time, you can only change the starting armies and such, and after the first turn, it is much random.

[Purplzhazy]

Ok, so where is the good old family tree ...
And Can I change the bodyguard units, at least ?
Because having Hannibal riding an elephant on a battle is ridiculous ^^

[m_1512]

Ok, so where is the good old family tree ...
And Can I change the bodyguard units, at least ?
Because having Hannibal riding an elephant on a battle is ridiculous ^^

Ok so we are forced to play with some random guys during all the campaign.
There is not a single event to at least give us Hamilcar, Hannibal, Hasdrubal during our game.
It's a shame.
If I want Hannibal, I have a DLC for this okok, I understand the point here.

What point? I am guessing this is your first TW game. You can check any TW game and you will find that each one of them has randomized generals and family trees. And Rome 2 has no family tree.

Further, I think you are confusing this mod with the game developers. The mod team did not make this game, they only mod the game. But modding is only possible to a certain extent. The things that you have issues with are pretty much hard-coded (source code), and it is not possible for modders to do anything here.

[Admiral.Nelson]

is not the annibale Barca of the Punic Wars, and the Scipione is not African, but it is one that has lost the Battle of the Lipari Islands

you can change the bodyguard, but to redeploy the general you have to wait a turn

[Purplzhazy]

Hannibal is in the Barca family, so I ask the question again :
If he is not Hannibal Barca, son of Hamilcar; wich Hannibal is he ? Because I don't know an other Hannibal ^^

[LestaT]

Hannibal is in the Barca family, so I ask the question again :
If he is not Hannibal Barca, son of Hamilcar; wich Hannibal is he ? Because I don't know an other Hannibal ^^

There are other Hannibal from the Barca line.

By the way, Hannibal riding the elephant =! playing mahout. Historically, Hannibal did sit on an elephant in a battle in Italy. Don't remember the battle, but he sat on the last surviving elephant and positioned behind the troops to ensure that they march with resolve. But the practical thought here is why should Hannibal direct the elephant himself? It makes no sense as 2 people can easily sit on an elephant, the mahout and the soldier.

Probably just to get a good view on the battlefield if the battlefield is flat ? Surely better view than sitting on a horse but I don't think Hannibal himself will ride the elephant in engagement especially if it's the last elephant he had in Italy.

[m_1512]

Probably just to get a good view on the battlefield if the battlefield is flat ? Surely better view than sitting on a horse but I don't think Hannibal himself will ride the elephant in engagement especially if it's the last elephant he had in Italy.

This was in a documentary I saw, and I think the reasons were more to send a message. It could be that people should not run away, or to say that he cannot and will not flee the battle.

[FlashHeart07]

I dont think you should look at him as the Hannibal we know from history. I dont even think that most of the Roman generals actually existed. though im not sure about any of these really. Know more about Germanic history.

[Falco]

I dont think you should look at him as the Hannibal we know from history. I dont even think that most of the Roman generals actually existed. though im not sure about any of these really. Know more about Germanic history.

There are actually quite a few generals that the Romans get who were real people that I've seen in my campaigns (surprisingly). Gnaeus Cornelius Scipio Asina, who the Romans start with was a real person and general in the First Punic War. Marcus Attilius Regulus, who the Romans get fairly early on in game, was also a real life general involved in the First Punic War. The Roman general who fought the Macedonians after he 2nd Punic war is in game, etc. etc. But yes like you said, most of the probably didn't exist.

@ the OP, I'm sure there's a possibility that there were other people named Hannibal who didn't make the history books. Try to think of it like that.

[Augustusng]

Yeah, I'm not sure why this is still an issue. You get a general called Hannibal at the start of the campaign. A few turns later, you get a chance to recruit a general called Hannibal Barca. That's the famous one.

[Cincinnatus]

Many Carthaginian generals were named Hannibal, Hamilcar, and Hanno. The Barcas were one of the oldest families in Carthage, and one of the most powerful, going back before the Hamilcar Barca who was the father of the famous Hannibal.

The Scipios were an old Roman family that provided many Consuls and generals. The famous Scipio Africanus had a father and uncle who were important Roman generals in the second Punic war, before he rose to command.

[Purplzhazy]

Ok so we are forced to play with some random guys during all the campaign.
There is not a single event to at least give us Hamilcar, Hannibal, Hasdrubal during our game.
It's a shame.
If I want Hannibal, I have a DLC for this okok, I understand the point here.

[zombieflanders]

All of your problems with family trees, generals, etc are problems with the way CA coded the game, not this mod.

[Purplzhazy]

Yeah I know sorry, it's just that I haver never played to the Vanilla.
But can't we do something for this elephant's bodyguard ?

[Lustmord]

I think Hamilcar Barcas father was named Hannibal too. At least this was mentioned in a great novel about Hannibal Barcas I have read some months ago.
And sometimes later in the campaign I get two Generals for Carthage. One is called Hannibal Barcas and the other one Hamilcar Barcas.

[Lieutenant Sharpe]

Hello, I have just started a game with Carthage but there are some crazy things.
First of all, all general's bodyguard are elephants ... They should be cavalry. How can you use a general in a battle if he is riding an elephant ????? It's silly.
Then, the game start before the first punic war, ok ! So why does Hannibal be already here ?
I mean, the Barca family started with Hamilcar ( his father ), right ? I don't think there was an other Hannibal in this family before the mighty one.
In conclusion, we should have Hamilcar, isn't it ?

Maybe this is Vanilla stuff, but how can someone play with this kind of anachronism ?

As as others said many names were repeated for Carthaginian commanders. Although CA may have also just thrown every commander within a 70 year spam in there because Pyrrhus is leading Eprius but I don't believe he was around then.

I mentioned this in an earlier thread, the elephants definitely need to be changed. Carthaginian commanders should not be elephants, my last Carthage campaign had them dropping like flies since the elephants were crucial but also somewhat suicide units. The commanders should either be cavalry or infantry, but Carthage should still retain some starting elephants.

[Zumuk]

Pyrrhus died at 272 BC, the same year the campaign starts so yeah, he was alive.

[ThatWhichThinks]

I don't understand; what is ridiculous about having elephants? The Carthaginians used them historically.

[Lieutenant Sharpe]

I don't understand; what is ridiculous about having elephants? The Carthaginians used them historically.

Nothing is wrong with elephants, the problem is commanders in elephant units. Historically Carthaginian generals did not ride elephants into combat. Plus for obvious gameplay reasons generals are in great risk upon elephants as they are often a key factor in winning early game Carthage. Instead generals should be cav, but Carthage should retain elephant units.