Stupid Map

[MasterAdnin]

Why is it that in all large scale RTS games, the map is only of Europe, some of Africa and Asia? Why can they not just make it all the way to China and India, and go down lower to Mid-Africa. Why do they always have small ass maps???

Salaam,
Adnan

[Aristocrat]

Why is it that in all large scale RTS games, the map is only of Europe, some of Africa and Asia? Why can they not just make it all the way to China and India, and go down lower to Mid-Africa. Why do they always have small ass maps???

Salaam,
Adnan

You consider Europe and North Africa and the Middle East combined to be "small ass"??? :hmmm:

[xopium]

I can see his point. There are a lot of games that include Persian or Muslim factions but don't expand eastwards enough to show them properly... I dread thinking how the Timurids will cope in MTW2 with just a tiny part of land.

[Sétanta]

Because

1) It is harder to make
2) Takes longer to make
3) Requires more work overall
4) The focus is Europe. If the focus was China, the map would be one of China.

[Candelarius]

Because the game is made by and targeted to "westerners"...most "western" people who have an interest in the Medieval time period are mostly interested in the European continent, and not so much with Asia and China.

[Miraj]

Why is it that in all large scale RTS games, the map is only of Europe, some of Africa and Asia? Why can they not just make it all the way to China and India, and go down lower to Mid-Africa. Why do they always have small ass maps???

Salaam,
Adnan

China?!! India?? Dude that would be waaay too big.

First of all the M2TW team is rather Eurocentric.
Secondly, a game needs to have a definite focus, it can't do EVERYTHING.

I've complained about this before too. But not about including India and China. I wanted the map to be extended a LITTLE bit to the east just to include central Iran. Thats all. But India and China would need an entirely new game altogether.

[MasterAdnin]

When it's going to be mainly Catholics and Christians versus Muslims, you atleast want to show both sides in the full strength. Russia with Eastern Orthodox, and extend east for Muslims, mods have done that and it hasn't taken them too long.

Salaam,
Adnan

[Miraj]

When it's going to be mainly Catholics and Christians versus Muslims, you atleast want to show both sides in the full strength. Russia with Eastern Orthodox, and extend east for Muslims, mods have done that and it hasn't taken them too long.

Salaam,
Adnan

Yeah but you're saying to include India and China. Thats nuts. Its like asking RockStar game to include Miami, Los Angeles and New York in GTA: Vice City. India and China are effectivly different continents are totally different "world".

But asking CA to have extended the map east up till Central Iran and the steppe is a legitimate complaint. Iran and central asia is a very continguous historical and physical part of the "Eurasion Theatre of Conflict". I just don't get where they are going to spawn Mongols and Timurids. It would have been best if Iran was included and they spawned in northern or eastern Iran.

[lightbringer418]

Because the game is called MEDIEVAL TOTAL WAR. The factions are European factions, so it shows Europe. If it was China or India Total War, it would show CHINA OR INDIA.

[MasterAdnin]

Because the game is called MEDIEVAL TOTAL WAR. The factions are European factions, so it shows Europe. If it was China or India Total War, it would show CHINA OR INDIA.

So China and India were not present during the Medieval Ages???? They should atleast extend the map to parts of India.

Salaam,
Adnan

[Candelarius]

So China and India were not present during the Medieval Ages???? They should atleast extend the map to parts of India.

Salaam,
Adnan

Adnan,

We all understand that China and India existed during the Middle Ages. So did many other parts of the world. But, surely you must recognize that this game is developed by Europeans and thus is mostly concerned with a European point of view? Westerners are not very interested in the East at this time frame. True, many mods have been developed for Rome that focus more on the East, and, I'm sure they'll be plenty for M2TW as well.

[Kalos]

Adnan,

We all understand that China and India existed during the Middle Ages. So did many other parts of the world. But, surely you must recognize that this game is developed by Europeans and thus is mostly concerned with a European point of view? Westerners are not very interested in the East at this time frame. True, many mods have been developed for Rome that focus more on the East, and, I'm sure they'll be plenty for M2TW as well.

Exactly!

[Miraj]

Adnan,

We all understand that China and India existed during the Middle Ages. So did many other parts of the world. But, surely you must recognize that this game is developed by Europeans and thus is mostly concerned with a European point of view? Westerners are not very interested in the East at this time frame. True, many mods have been developed for Rome that focus more on the East, and, I'm sure they'll be plenty for M2TW as well.

While what your saying is true, I still think that the map should at least be expanded east just a little bit. Just to include central Iran. This is important because without central Iran the Muslim factions, especially the Turks are being cut in half. Kind of like what CA did with the Parthians in RTW, it was stupid and totally unecessary. It is hardly any work to add vew more map squares and include central Iran. Persian was an intregal part of the "medievel" era.

Realize that I'm not asking for a map expansion like Terrae Expupnandae, RTR or EB mods. Those are enormous maps. I still think the focus should be on Europe, since thats what the CA are aiming at, its just the Muslims world needs to be have at least a few more provinces and perhaps one more faction. You simply cannot have a proper Christendom without a proper Islamdom.

[Candelarius]

While what your saying is true, I still think that the map should at least be expanded east just a little bit. Just to include central Iran. This is important because without central Iran the Muslim factions, especially the Turks are being cut in half. Kind of like what CA did with the Parthians in RTW, it was stupid and totally unecessary. It is hardly any work to add vew more map squares and include central Iran. Persian was an intregal part of the "medievel" era.

Realize that I'm not asking for a map expansion like Terrae Expupnandae, RTR or EB mods. Those are enormous maps. I still think the focus should be on Europe, since thats what the CA are aiming at, its just the Muslims world needs to be have at least a few more provinces and perhaps one more faction. You simply cannot have a proper Christendom without a proper Islamdom.

I don't mean to be "politically incorrect", but, it seems to me that the lands included in the game that are "Islamic" are mostly intended as targets for the European powers.

The focus of the game is on Europe and it's wars and conquests...the Islamic powers are sorta "second fiddle". But, I would be very much interested in an expansion pack that opened up more of the "eastern" world.

[MasterAdnin]

Adnan,

We all understand that China and India existed during the Middle Ages. So did many other parts of the world. But, surely you must recognize that this game is developed by Europeans and thus is mostly concerned with a European point of view? Westerners are not very interested in the East at this time frame. True, many mods have been developed for Rome that focus more on the East, and, I'm sure they'll be plenty for M2TW as well.

No no no, that wasn't what I was saying. I'm sorry if I said it wrong. I didn't mean to include those countries because they simply existed. I'm saying that 1)-India and farther east were part of the Muslim Empire, and 2)-It would be all around better, and when two completely different cultures fight, it would be mad cool.

Salaam,
ADnan

[Papal_Knight]

So China and India were not present during the Medieval Ages???? They should atleast extend the map to parts of India.

Salaam,
Adnan

that's just silly, and way beyond the scope of the project. any meaningful battles or campaigns take place in that area of the globe during the period depicted by MTW2? :hmmm:

[Big War Bird]

I've always wanted to see a Eurasia:Total War too. But I'll take what I can get.

[Dragosani]

Extending the map adds too many factions, and just makes more work. i'd rather more detail in europe than a lesser game containing europe and asia.

[RusskiSoldat]

One of the reasons there are less Islamic than European countries in the game might be (and bear with me, this is just a theory) that there were far fewer distinct muslim factions in real life.
Granted the Ottoman and Sejuk turks should be separate, but you can't have everything.

[Axe-Battler]

Why is it that in all large scale RTS games, the map is only of Europe, some of Africa and Asia? Why can they not just make it all the way to China and India, and go down lower to Mid-Africa. Why do they always have small ass maps???

Salaam,
Adnan

i wouldnt worry about it, we will be entertained by it for a long time and when we get sick of it, by that time the modders will have new bigger maps.