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    Default A tomb of significant size and dated to the age of Alexander the Great has been discovered in Greece.

    http://www.thehindu.com/news/international/world/archaeologists-uncover-alexander-the-greatera-tomb-in-greeces-amphipolis/article6308695.ece

    Greece’s Prime Minister Antonis Samaras said archaeologists excavating an ancient mound in northern Greece have uncovered what appears to be the entrance to an important tomb from about the end of the reign of ancient warrior-king Alexander the Great.
    Mr. Samaras, who visited the excavation on Tuesday, issued a statement saying the discovery “is clearly extremely important” and dates between 325-300 B.C.
    Mr. Samaras said a broad road led to the tomb, while the entrance was flanked by two carved sphinxes. It was unclear how far archaeologists have reached.
    Mr. Samaras said it remains to be seen who was buried in the tumulus, near ancient Amphipolis.



    Now obviously there's still quite a lot of work to be done, but the question remains: Is this just wishful sensational thinking, or can this actually be the tomb of Alexandros?

    As I recall, there are reports of Roman Emperors visiting his tomb in Alexandria...or was that never fully confirmed to be his actual tomb?


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    I only know that after he died at Babylon, Ptolemy took his body. About that tomb in Macedonia, it could be that of a relative.
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    Where is the tomb of Demetrios Poliorcetes, btw? (although iirc he died violently).

    Samaras is scum and should just go to hell. The tomb is important, though.
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    “The land of Macedonia continues to move and surprise us, revealing from deep within its unique treasures, which combine to form the unique mosaic of Greek history of which all Greeks are very proud,” he added.

    Archaeologists believe that the excavations are about to reveal an important tomb. According to Peristeri, who is the head of 28th Ephorate of Prehistoric and Classical Antiquities, excavations over the last two years at Kasta hill have revealed a unique grave circle which dates back to the last quarter of the 4th century BC.
    “The main question the excavation will answer is regarding the identity of who has been buried here,” said Samaras.
    Ancient Amphipolis was founded as an Athenian colony in 437 BC and conquered by Philip II of Macedon in 357 BC. The site is known for the Lion of Amphipolis, a 4-meter high monument.
    There has been speculation that the tomb could contain the remains of Alexander the Great or his wife, Roxana, and their son, Alexander IV. Roxana and Alexander IV were murdered by Cassander.



    http://www.ekathimerini.com/4dcgi/_w...08/2014_542093


    Other ancient sites have been found in the Macedonia region of northern Greece, principally the Vergina tomb of Alexander's father, Philip II, which was unearthed in 1977.

    There has been widespread speculation that a prominent figure in ancient Macedonia may have been buried at Kasta hill, 600km (370 miles) north of Athens.
    The burial mound is 497m (1,600ft) long and constructed with marble imported from the nearby island of Thassos and there are suggestions it was built by the renowned architect, Dinocrates, who was a friend of Alexander's.
    http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/ancient-amp...eek-pm-1460873

    Greek archaeologists have spent the last two years unearthing a massive burial mound complex at Kasta Hill, in the northern Greek region of Serres, believed to be the tomb of an important figure from 320-300 BC, after the death of Alexander the Great.

    Greek prime minister Antonis Samaras visited the excavation site of Ancient Amphipolis today and spoke to locals, before being given a guided tour by the archaeologist in charge, Katerina Peristeri.
    "It is clear that we stand before an extremely important finding," Samaras said adding that the land of Macedonia continues revealing unique treasures that "weave the unique mosaic of our Greek history".
    Guarded by sphinxes
    The burial mound measures 497m across, and is almost a complete circle carved in marble, which would have been imported from the nearby island of Thassos.
    A wide path leads to the tomb where the entrance is guarded by two statues of sphinxes, also carved from marble.
    "I believe all these findings have allowed archaeologist Katerina Peristeri to be optimistic that this is a unique burial monument, which – as she said – dates between 325BC and 300BC. Regarding the key question, the excavation will reveal the identity of the deceased. The excavation will continue at a pace dictated by the finding as well as the scientific ethics," Samaras said.
    It is not clear how much the archaeologists have so far excavated, but the newly-elected mayor of Amphipolis, Constantinos Melitos said that "the premier's visit means the excavation is expected to reveal something significant".
    The Lion of Amphipolis
    Amphopolis was once an important naval base and the birthplace of three famous admirals from the Macedonian period – Nearchus, Androsthenes of Thasos, and Laomedon (a close friend of Alexander the Great).
    The famous Lion of Amphipolis, one of the best preserved monuments from 4th century BC, was found in 1912 by the Greek Army in the river bed of Strymónas river.
    Archaeologists believe that it once stood at the highest and most central point of the Kasta Hill mound. It now stands next to the old bridge over Strymónas river, on the street Amphipolis-Serraiki Akti.
    There are several theories surrounding the Lion of Amphipolis. Some believe that Laomedon's grave is marked by the lion, while others believe that the statue was erected by Agnon and dedicated to the 10,000 people killed in the battle of Draviskos, another ancient city in Serres.
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    It seems a very important archaelogical find no doubt but It would be almost impossible for this one to be Alexander's tomb.

    Judging from its immense size though, the tomb must belonging to a very important figure nonetheless
    Xena perhaps?
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    Is this the same one that was discovered a while ago? I assume more excavations have been carried out since then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stavroforos View Post
    Is this the same one that was discovered a while ago? I assume more excavations have been carried out since then.
    Yes indeed. They didn't have money first, but they have managed to get funded and the excavations started again. It is also a huge tomb and the process is slow.
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    What's the current consensus on the tomb of Philip? Is it II or III?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pannonian View Post
    What's the current consensus on the tomb of Philip? Is it II or III?
    Hatzopoulos (2008) summarized the studies involved in the dispute around the tomb and argued that claims against Philip II are scientifically baseless. Moreover, he indicated that personal and political issues had confused the debate.[13]

    Musgrave, et al. (2010)[14] showed that there is no valid evidence Arrhidaeus could have been buried in the unopened tomb, hence those who made those claims, like Borza, Palagia and Bartsiokas, had actually misunderstood certain scientific facts which led them to invalid conclusions. Musgrave's study of the bones of Tomb II of Vergina found that the cranium of the male was deformed possibly by a trauma, a finding that is consistent with the history of Philip II.[15]
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_II_of_Macedon

    So far the evidence points that it is Philipp's II tomb.
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    The Ptolemies would have wanted to hang on to Alexander, both as a legitimization and good luck charm, so his tomb is likely to be in Alexandria, unless there was some vast secret conspiracy to smuggle him out and have him buried in his homeland.
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    It would be interesting if the Macedonians built a tomb for Alexander with the knowledge that he was entombed in Alexandria, maybe symbolizing where he ought to be buried.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stavroforos View Post
    It would be interesting if the Macedonians built a tomb for Alexander with the knowledge that he was entombed in Alexandria, maybe symbolizing where he ought to be buried.
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    There is no way his body ever left Alexandria. There are many reports of Roman Emperors visiting it to pay their respects.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hobbes View Post
    There is no way his body ever left Alexandria. There are many reports of Roman Emperors visiting it to pay their respects.
    The fools, they were paying respects to a mock Alexander mummy

    Anyway the estimated time for entering the tomb is set to be 2 weeks. We will probably get to know better after that.
    I am really curious though
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    Quote Originally Posted by neoptolemos View Post
    The fools, they were paying respects to a mock Alexander mummy
    Well, at least the spirit Augustus won't feel so bad or embarrassed now about breaking off the mock Alexander mummy's nose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by neoptolemos View Post
    The fools, they were paying respects to a mock Alexander mummy

    Anyway the estimated time for entering the tomb is set to be 2 weeks. We will probably get to know better after that.
    I am really curious though
    Would there normally be any inscriptions saying whose tomb it is? That would probably help...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stavroforos View Post
    Would there normally be any inscriptions saying whose tomb it is? That would probably help...
    Would a tomb saying that it belonged to Alexander son of Philip really settle the argument? His body was headed to Aigai before it was hijacked by Ptolemy, so one would imagine that there was a tomb waiting for him, whether or not it actually ended up there at some point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by neoptolemos View Post
    The fools, they were paying respects to a mock Alexander mummy

    Anyway the estimated time for entering the tomb is set to be 2 weeks. We will probably get to know better after that.
    I am really curious though
    I heard they already opened the tomb and found a the body holding a protoslavic dictionary, a map of Makedonia signed Alexander Philipovic and a sign that says "Salon for FYROM! Greeks out now!"
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    Maybe it was made during Alexander's own lifetime?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pannonian View Post
    Would a tomb saying that it belonged to Alexander son of Philip really settle the argument? His body was headed to Aigai before it was hijacked by Ptolemy, so one would imagine that there was a tomb waiting for him, whether or not it actually ended up there at some point.
    Well, it would let us know who the tomb was built for, though obviously do nothing about who occupied the tomb.
    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclops View Post
    I heard they already opened the tomb and found a the body holding a protoslavic dictionary, a map of Makedonia signed Alexander Philipovic and a sign that says "Salon for FYROM! Greeks out now!"
    You heard wrong.

    On an unrelated note, I think we have a snitch from inside the tomb who didn't understand the "burn everything" order well.

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    This would have been mentioned if it really was the tomb for Alexander, I think. It could be a royal grave, with many royal family members in it. I must say I'm pretty excited about this.

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