[Official Submod] Limited Recruitment - Updated w/ Steam version

[Ivo_Enforcer]

This is fantastic. I've played dozens of campaigns with the original version of the mod, and not once did Parthia actually survive to confront me with armies on the banks of the Tigris. Playing as Carthage, I had nothing to do with events in the east (apart from trade, I suppose), and it is such a relief to finally see the east filled with horse-archers and cataphracts, like it should be, rather than the endless ranks of Seleucid pike-men! Now if I could just convince them to quit raiding my cities...

Anyway, 238 BC: Carthage controls Africa, So. Spain, Italy, Greece, Egypt & Syria (I had a good year or two). Macedon controls Macedonia, Thrace & Cisalpina (the results of a Carthaginian-Macedonian alliance against Rome [as it should be]). Pergamon, surprisingly enough, has managed to hold on to the whole of Asia and Armenia, while the Greeks of the Bosphorus are struggling to fend off the hordes of the Saka (the survival of whom was also a pleasant surprise). Parthia, meanwhile, has subdued the Bactrians, conquered all of Iran as well as Mesopotamia, and has engaged Carthage for control over Syria. Meanwhile, in the north, Germanic tribes are causing havoc everywhere, while the British tribes seem to be sitting relatively calmly on their isles.

In short, this mod is a blast.

[auboy]

Hmm with 0 recruitment points playing as a one province minor such as Massilia I am unable to recruit anything what am I missing here?

Why not just give all factions 1 recruitment slot in the campaign variables? If you did that what would be the difference?

[Wolster]

I think the key is to give all MAJOR factions capital cities the bonus recruitment slot only.

Ie Rome, Carthage, Parthia, Selucids, Ptolomies, Macedon.

Personally the rest dont need the help, since they are ment to be harder factions to play & in the hands of the AI have numbers on their side vs the larger factions.

[BooBooLovesAll]

I think the key is to give all MAJOR factions capital cities the bonus recruitment slot only.

Ie Rome, Carthage, Parthia, Selucids, Ptolomies, Macedon.

Personally the rest dont need the help, since they are ment to be harder factions to play & in the hands of the AI have numbers on their side vs the larger factions.

Agreed.

Few people are saying "What about the X faction..."

There is a reason why major factions (such as Rome) are easier to play as... and others harder.

[Dresden]

I think the key is to give all MAJOR factions capital cities the bonus recruitment slot only.

Ie Rome, Carthage, Parthia, Selucids, Ptolomies, Macedon.

Personally the rest dont need the help, since they are ment to be harder factions to play & in the hands of the AI have numbers on their side vs the larger factions.

Unfortunately, that isn't possible. It is tied to the buildings and they are shared by many factions

Hmm with 0 recruitment points playing as a one province minor such as Massilia I am unable to recruit anything what am I missing here?

Why not just give all factions 1 recruitment slot in the campaign variables? If you did that what would be the difference?

I think you are missing the entire point of the mod Massilia should have 2 slots to begin (1 for the region held, 1 for being its capital). Factions receive 1 recruitment slot for every region they hold in a province.

[auboy]

Unfortunately, that isn't possible. It is tied to the buildings and they are shared by many factions



I think you are missing the entire point of the mod Massilia should have 2 slots to begin (1 for the region held, 1 for being its capital). Factions receive 1 recruitment slot for every region they hold in a province.

Hmm I must be doing something wrong then. I have it as a mod file in the mod manager and game crashes so I save it as a movie file and game works but I can't recruit anything because it says I have 0 recruitment points but mod manager says no conflicts...

[auboy]

Hmm I must be doing something wrong then. I have it as a mod file in the mod manager and game crashes so I save it as a movie file and game works but I can't recruit anything because it says I have 0 recruitment points but mod manager says no conflicts...

Ok I see what is happening it conflicts with the DEI Seiges Optional mod even though it says no conficts and when I look in both files they are both different. Strange. Dresden would it be possible for you to look at these two mods and see why they are conflicting?

[auboy]

Unfortunately, that isn't possible. It is tied to the buildings and they are shared by many factions



I think you are missing the entire point of the mod Massilia should have 2 slots to begin (1 for the region held, 1 for being its capital). Factions receive 1 recruitment slot for every region they hold in a province.

I guess what I am trying to figure out is if this mod is to limit one province nations from steamrolling then would not giving each nation 1 recruit point do the same thing? Since bigger nations can recruit one unit from each region while smaller ones could only recruit one unit per turn from one region?

In other words one recruit per region per turn?

Edit: So I finally got this mod working when I took out DEI seiges optional mod and I can now recruit two units per turn as Massilia as you said. But again wouldn't it be even better if one province nations could only recruit one unit per turn and it seems like you can do that just by giving all nations one recruit point in campaign variables?

[Wolster]

[QUOTE=Dresden;14019058]Unfortunately, that isn't possible. It is tied to the buildings and they are shared by many factions


2 options potentially.

1) The physical base capital building in Rome, Carthage have +2 recruitment vs +1.

2) The faction traits on these selected Major factions gain a +1 further recruitment bonus - (Just for being major)

[Aleksander the Average]

Unfortunately, that isn't possible. It is tied to the buildings and they are shared by many factions

you could tie it instead to faction traits like the ones you see in the faction selection screen, no?

[Dresden]

you could tie it instead to faction traits like the ones you see in the faction selection screen, no?

That faction trait is only for home provinces, not for all major cities.

[stevehoos]

Trying this mod out, I like it. Feels more realistic as things take more time to develope. In my Massalia campaigns, the AI attacks with 20 stacks during turn 5 sometimes , (I welcome difficulty in games) but things feel a bit rushed out of the gate. Also a mod like this should help draw out some campaigns to make immersion last longer --which is a big sore spot with the game.

Dresden: Slightly off topic here, Anyway to change the night battle spotlights to some other color, I haven't found anything about this?

[Dresden]

@stevehoose I don't know, I haven't found anything either.

[quaz601]

Late in my Egypt campaign

[Dresden]

I guess what I am trying to figure out is if this mod is to limit one province nations from steamrolling then would not giving each nation 1 recruit point do the same thing? Since bigger nations can recruit one unit from each region while smaller ones could only recruit one unit per turn from one region?

In other words one recruit per region per turn?

Edit: So I finally got this mod working when I took out DEI seiges optional mod and I can now recruit two units per turn as Massilia as you said. But again wouldn't it be even better if one province nations could only recruit one unit per turn and it seems like you can do that just by giving all nations one recruit point in campaign variables?

I am not sure why it would conflict with that submod, having looked at it they don't have the same tables.

The reason it is different from just giving everyone 1 recruitment slot is that it makes recruitment more dynamic over the course of the campaign. In some ways, it creates a system that is sort of tied to a concept of population. If you don't own many regions in a province, you won't be able to recruit a large amount of troops.

Late in my Egypt campaign

What am I looking at?

[quaz601]

thought you wanted to see how unit composition was affected by the new submod

[Litharion]

thought you wanted to see how unit composition was affected by the new submod

yeah thanks for sharing, doesn't look that bad.

[Leonnidas]

Hi Dersden, I personaly don't like limited recruitment, I think it should be easy to raise an army but very costly to keep, I'm using Anabasis submod and have decreased recruitment cost by 25% and increased upkeep by 40%.

[Dresden]

If you own an entire province, it is actually easier to raise an army than it is in the current version of the mod

[Leonnidas]

If you own an entire province, it is actually easier to raise an army than it is in the current version of the mod

Ok but with my changes it's harder to pay the upkeep, 40% higher, of the armies you raise so it's harder for the player and the AI to expand bc you don't have the funds to maintain large armies. So far so good, many wars but no large empires yet...