ISIS total cover-up for women per decree

[Mayer]

While we had discussed at lengths how the french penalization of wearing burqua and niqab in public with a small fine supposedly constitutes fascism and a violation of human rights, in another part of the world ISIS (or better say the islamic totalitarian state in Syria and Iraq) made it illegal for women to show even their eyes.

The Al-Qaeda splinter group ISIS has imposed a strict dress code for women in eastern Syria, forbidding them from showing any part of their bodies.“Women ... are completely forbidden from showing their eyes,” said the statement, which the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, a Britain-based anti-regime group, said was distributed in ISIS-controlled areas of Deir al-Zor province.

Women are also forbidden from wearing “open abayas that reveal colorful clothes worn underneath,” it said. Abayas, it added, “must not be decorated with beads, sequins or anything else” and women “must not wear high heels.”

“Anyone who violates this will be penalized,” it added, without elaborating on the punishment..

http://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/Mid...#ixzz39QKwVbwV

I suppose the punishment in sharia territory is lashes if not worse.

[Dromikaites]

Mankind has allowed the women to forget where their place in society is for too long.

But Allah be praised somebody is finally addressing this issue the way it should be.

And Allah doesn't take the French infidels lightly either.

[Condottiere 40K]

By the beard of the Prophet, this is indeed good news for those supplying seeing eye dogs to guide the blinded women.

[Farnan]

While we had discussed at lengths how the french penalization of wearing burqua and niqab in public with a small fine supposedly constitutes fascism and a violation of human rights, in another part of the world ISIS (or better say the islamic totalitarian state in Syria and Iraq) made it illegal for women to show even their eyes.

If you're comparing yourself to a totalitarian Takfiri terrorist group than you have already failed.

[Mayer]

If you're comparing yourself to a totalitarian Takfiri terrorist group than you have already failed.

No, i'm comparing the ridiculous conception of oppression in the western world with the harsh reality in the middle east (we had 2 threads with a total of 503 posts on the burqua ban). In my humble opinion, the criminalization of one particular kind of cloth or veiling is not on par with religious driven genocidal maniacs who are clearly much closer to totalitarianism.

[Farnan]

No, i'm comparing the ridiculous conception of oppression in the western world with the harsh reality in the middle east (we had 2 threads with a total of 503 posts on the burqua ban). In my humble opinion, the criminalization of one particular kind of cloth or veiling is not on par with religious driven genocidal maniacs who are clearly much closer to totalitarianism.

So your saying we should consider France on the same level of ISIS?

Because that is the only reason why our opinion of ISIS actions should have any bearing of our opinion on France's.

[Symphony]

No, i'm comparing the ridiculous conception of oppression in the western world with the harsh reality in the middle east (we had 2 threads with a total of 503 posts on the burqua ban). In my humble opinion, the criminalization of one particular kind of cloth or veiling is not on par with religious driven genocidal maniacs who are clearly much closer to totalitarianism.

...because the following things must be true:

1. If one causes concerns regarding human rights, the other must be completely ok; it's not possible that one is simply a lesser degree of violation than the other, or that one merely raises human rights questions or concerns, while the other is a clear violation
2. The two situations, and the reasons for them, are entirely similar and therefore useful comparisons can be drawn between them; there are no relevant differences in the intent, scale, impact, or implications between the two issues


Give me a break.

So can we please stop whining about France's evil fascism suppressing muslims?

No. I fully intend to continue whining about both...and whining about the issue in France in no way undermines or invalidates my whining about this issue. You're making a completely absurd comparison.

[Mayer]

If you criticize France for the money penalty on covering of the face in public, it's hypocritical to not critize ISIS for banning all clothes except one (colorless full cover) for women. From what I see, muslim women are facing much more severe discrimination in the islamist country than in secular France.

So can we please stop whining about France's evil fascism suppressing muslims?

[Request a new user name]

If you criticize France for the money penalty on covering of the face in public, it's hypocritical to not critize ISIS for banning all clothes except one (colorless full cover) for women. From what I see, muslim women are facing much more severe discrimination in the islamist country than in secular France.

So can we please stop whining about France's evil fascism suppressing muslims?

Uh no because both are reprehensible restrictions on a woman's right to choose what to wear. It is not the state's place to decide what a woman wears whether its a burqa or bikini, taking that choice away is objectification of women by society.

I see no contradiction in supporting a woman's right to wear a burqa in France and supporting a woman's right to wear a bikini in the Islamic State.

[Blaze86420]

If you criticize France for the money penalty on covering of the face in public, it's hypocritical to not critize ISIS for banning all clothes except one (colorless full cover) for women.

Name one person in this entire forum who is okay with forcing women to wear burqas.

So can we please stop whining about France's evil fascism suppressing muslims?

First of all no, we can whine as much as we want to. Because it's a legitimate concern when a country enforces a dress code. Second, if you have problem with it then argue against it formally in a separate thread, don't build this God awful strawman. Nobody ever seriously called France evil and fascist.

And finally, nobody here supports ISIS. So stop being an armchair activist outraging over nothing, it's the Iraqis fighting tooth and nail to put these guys under the dirt.

[opock]

A civilization has the right to prevent foreigners that dress their women in garbage bags from importing that custom to said civilization.

If they don't like it they are free to stay in their wonderful, advanced, developed ummah.

[Yayattasa]

A civilization has the right to prevent foreigners that dress their women in garbage bags from importing that custom to said civilization.

If they don't like it they are free to stay in their wonderful, advanced, developed ummah.

Except when said "civilization" FUBAR the whole region said foreigners lived before. Welcome to post-imperialism!

[Mayer]

Name one person in this entire forum who is okay with forcing women to wear burqas.
And finally, nobody here supports ISIS.

Heinz supports both.

Second, if you have problem with it then argue against it formally in a separate thread, don't build this God awful strawman. Nobody ever seriously called France evil and fascist.

It shows that the Government can now dictate what we wear, hardly viva France, more viva fascism.

and other comments about human rights violation, authoritarianism/statism, racism (rofl) etc.

The point of this thread is to show the actions of a real sectarian totalitarianism in contrast to a imaginary one in France.

[Col. Tartleton]

I like my women mysterious.

[Knight of Heaven]

I like my women mysterious.

I have a feeling, even if they werent, you would like them anyway.

[Col. Tartleton]

I have a feeling, even if they werent, you would like them anyway.

No way man. The most attractive thing about a girl is not knowing if she's a man or not. #MyLifeOnTheInternet

[Mangalore]

What is Islam's position to cute fetish games in full body latex suits? Woman is guranteed to be completely covered and it's lots of fun. Gags and handcuffs included. Maybe a way to reconcile Islam with western Hedonism?

[grouchy13]

agreed RANUN, does it even state in the Koran that Women should be covered in this way?

[Request a new user name]

agreed RANUN, does it even state in the Koran that Women should be covered in this way?

Depend entirely how you interpret it. Many just take it to be dress professionally, IE no plunging necklines and buttcracks showing. Others cover your hair, and a lot of open interpretation in-between. Islam isn't monolithic, its what people make of it.

[Mayer]

Uh no because both are reprehensible restrictions on a woman's right to choose what to wear. It is not the state's place to decide what a woman wears whether its a burqa or bikini, taking that choice away is objectification of women by society.

Good, and i start supporting a woman's right to wear a iron maiden, after all we shouldn't be intolerant to the tradition of witch-hunt with statist objectification of women and we can not presume that the woman who is tortured doesn't want it.