How about that Ebola thing

[sabaku_no_gaara]

You think we'll be able to contain it in Africa?

I just read that in Malta border patrol was paying extra attention on symptoms, but what of illegal immigrants? And some days ago an infected man with no signs of infection, boarded an international flight and died shortly after arriving in Nigeria from the disease? Luckily he stayed on his own continent, but what if a sick person gets into a plane to a different continent?

the idea of it spreading gives me the creeps, can't we just block all forms of travel out of Africa? And maybe just shoot on sight whenever a person or means of transport tries to leave Africa? You know just to be sure?

[DarthLazy]

I think the north african arabs will be slightly more worried at this point. Lets see if it crosses the Sahara first

[Flavius Julius Nepos Augustus]

I was thinking for zombie + Ebola is the best: If you kill them with a hatchet their blood will infect you
On another hand: having no gf gives you a 0.5% boonus of not being infected

Serious:I don't know the mathematics but it lookslike you can't contain the virus easly
We must hope for a vacin and be happy it doesn't spread by air.

Shooting on people who want to cross the mediteranean? I am looking now at Gibraltar and the sea... no boats a yes one a yacht of some million €'s
Let us see how it develops before taking ridicilous actions

[Fernandez_1492]

I was thinking for zombie + Ebola is the best: If you kill them with a hatchet their blood will infect you
On another hand: having no gf gives you a 0.5% boonus of not being infected

Serious:I don't know the mathematics but it lookslike you can't contain the virus easly
We must hope for a vacin and be happy it doesn't spread by air.

Shooting on people who want to cross the mediteranean? I am looking now at Gibraltar and the sea... no boats a yes one a yacht of some million €'s
Let us see how it develops before taking ridicilous actions

yeah i wonder who's gonna make the big bucks when they make it mandatory to have the vaccine injected. i should probably invest, the fear mongering hasn't even reached the peak.

[Gaidin]

yeah i wonder who's gonna make the big bucks when they make it mandatory to have the vaccine injected. i should probably invest, the fear mongering hasn't even reached the peak.

Big Pharma's not interested enough in getting enough of the vaccine up for that. The research is being done by small companies and universities.

[conon394]

Gaiden is right Vaccines don't make the kind of money that chronic treatments do and Ebola were before now small and in poor countries - so it was a prospect of little interest to big Pharma. Even little bitechs only jumped on becuse the Army wanted treatments and handed out seed grants.

yeah i wonder who's gonna make the big bucks when they make it mandatory to have the vaccine injected. i should probably invest, the fear mongering hasn't even reached the peak.

[crawe1]

It's a load of bollocks. Media sensationalism. It's not like the flu. The disease doesn't spread easily. Most of the people who catch it are family members and health workers tending to the sick. Wasn't the American guy who died tending to his sister, who already had it?

Basically you either need to have sex with an infected person, exchange blood with them, or have them cough all over your face. What typically happens is that someone is caring for the sick person, doesn't wash their hands properly, and then touches their mouth. Then they too become infected.

Honestly, if ebola was a problem, it would have wiped out the world population long ago. You're far more likely to die an auto accident.

[Stívarðr Reynitré]

It's a load of bollocks. Media sensationalism. It's not like the flu. The disease doesn't spread easily. Most of the people who catch it are family members and health workers tending to the sick. Wasn't the American guy who died tending to his sister, who already had it?

Basically you either need to have sex with an infected person, exchange blood with them, or have them cough all over your face. What typically happens is that someone is caring for the sick person, doesn't wash their hands properly, and then touches their mouth. Then they too become infected.

Honestly, if ebola was a problem, it would have wiped out the world population long ago. You're far more likely to die an auto accident.

Agree wholeheartedly.

[sabaku_no_gaara]

It's a load of bollocks. Media sensationalism. It's not like the flu. The disease doesn't spread easily. Most of the people who catch it are family members and health workers tending to the sick. Wasn't the American guy who died tending to his sister, who already had it?

Basically you either need to have sex with an infected person, exchange blood with them, or have them cough all over your face. What typically happens is that someone is caring for the sick person, doesn't wash their hands properly, and then touches their mouth. Then they too become infected.

Honestly, if ebola was a problem, it would have wiped out the world population long ago. You're far more likely to die an auto accident.

So 1 sexy looking girl infected could infect half a dance club? Those in turn could then infect their relatives and friends? The French great by exchanging a kiss, even amongst males....

Just saying, there are ways in which an infection could spread

[conon394]

It's a load of bollocks. Media sensationalism. It's not like the flu. The disease doesn't spread easily. Most of the people who catch it are family members and health workers tending to the sick. Wasn't the American guy who died tending to his sister, who already had it?

Basically you either need to have sex with an infected person, exchange blood with them, or have them cough all over your face. What typically happens is that someone is caring for the sick person, doesn't wash their hands properly, and then touches their mouth. Then they too become infected.

Honestly, if Ebola was a problem, it would have wiped out the world population long ago. You're far more likely to die an auto accident.

Actually you are incorrect about that this outbreak is of more concern than any previous one for quite rational reasons.

I will admit that auto death is more common than previous Ebola dead... but...

There is a problem in the West Africa Lassa fever is endemic and it share the same initial symptoms as Ebola but is comparatively treatable thus you have large cities that are difficult to quarantine (compared to small sites in the Congo bush) and a substantial chance for misdiagnosis. Given the limited resources of the local medical infrastructure you have a real issue that not everyone will be treated as the worst case (Ebola) vs something like Lassa.

Its gets into Sci Fy type thinking but the longer the virus is hanging around the longer it might develop new forms. Also the recent research by the (IIRC) The U.S. Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases showed that old samples though to be Lassa might have been Ebola in West Africa. Thus you might have developing or already have had a persistent human infected population and if the death rate really is down to 60% you have a lot more time for the virus to alter or develop.

Again its not even as scary as return of the great Influenza epidemic a century ago - now , but it is sort another kick in the nuts to Africa since we could be looking at persistent Ebola in West Africa and outside of the US army (due to USSR experiments with Marburg virus) not a lot of money at all looking for a vaccine or improved treatment (Pfizer no doubt makes more money on a week of Viagra than it would ever get back from a treatment for Ebola). Not only that but the travel bans and boarder closing could become persistent and that the last thing the poor countries of West Africa need. And finally fear of Ebola could reduce the willingness of Medical professionals to treat Lassa which will only add to its death toll.

Also it should be noted that since Ebola in its raw form is so deadly it can only researched at a tiny handful of places in the world and only a fraction of those are really level 4 places the others are level 3 operating over thier heads. Thus the US army research team had to use treated samples and so the results are not conclusive.

[sabaku_no_gaara]

Actually you are incorrect about that this outbreak is of more concern than any previous one for quite rational reasons.

I will admit that auto death is more common than previous Ebola dead... but...

There is a problem in the West Africa Lassa fever is endemic and it share the same initial symptoms as Ebola but is comparatively treatable thus you have large cities that are difficult to quarantine (compared to small sites in the Congo bush) and a substantial chance for misdiagnosis. Given the limited resources of the local medical infrastructure you have a real issue that not everyone will be treated as the worst case (Ebola) vs something like Lassa.

Its gets into Sci Fy type thinking but the longer the virus is hanging around the longer it might develop new forms. Also the recent research by the (IIRC) The U.S. Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases showed that old samples though to be Lassa might have been Ebola in West Africa. Thus you might have developing or already have had a persistent human infected population and if the death rate really is down to 60% you have a lot more time for the virus to alter or develop.

Again its not even as scary as return of the great Influenza epidemic a century ago - now , but it is sort another kick in the nuts to Africa since we could be looking at persistent Ebola in West Africa and outside of the US army (due to USSR experiments with Marburg virus) not a lot of money at all looking for a vaccine or improved treatment (Pfizer no doubt makes more money on a week of Viagra than it would ever get back from a treatment for Ebola). Not only that but the travel bans and boarder closing could become persistent and that the last thing the poor countries of West Africa need. And finally fear of Ebola could reduce the willingness of Medical professionals to treat Lassa which will only add to its death toll.

Also it should be noted that since Ebola in its raw form is so deadly it can only researched at a tiny handful of places in the world and only a fraction of those are really level 4 places the others are level 3 operating over thier heads. Thus the US army research team had to use treated samples and so the results are not conclusive.

that was an interesting read, have some rep

I like your idea of shooting black people, but do I need to make sure they've come from Africa recently? Can I not just shoot all of them to be sure?

I'm talking about everyone departing from Africa, that includes white people currently present over there too, and brown as well,

Why is "black people" the first thing that popped in your mind when I mention Africa? Are you THAT obsessed by race?

[Condottiere 40K]

The problem is if it mutates to a form with a longer incubation period, and becomes airborne.

[Mayer]

I think ebola can only be confined with house arrests, regular blood tests and quarantine camps for infected.
However i heard US researchers had success in testing a vaccin.

[Condottiere 40K]

Stories coming out of Africa seem reminiscent of the Black Death, with most Africans seemingly ignorant and impotent in the face of it, and their subsequent panicked reactions.

[Hookah Smoking Caterpiller]

You think we'll be able to contain it in Africa?

I just read that in Malta border patrol was paying extra attention on symptoms, but what of illegal immigrants? And some days ago an infected man with no signs of infection, boarded an international flight and died shortly after arriving in Nigeria from the disease? Luckily he stayed on his own continent, but what if a sick person gets into a plane to a different continent?

the idea of it spreading gives me the creeps, can't we just block all forms of travel out of Africa? And maybe just shoot on sight whenever a person or means of transport tries to leave Africa? You know just to be sure?

I like your idea of shooting black people, but do I need to make sure they've come from Africa recently? Can I not just shoot all of them to be sure?

[Gaidin]

You think we'll be able to contain it in Africa?

I just read that in Malta border patrol was paying extra attention on symptoms, but what of illegal immigrants? And some days ago an infected man with no signs of infection, boarded an international flight and died shortly after arriving in Nigeria from the disease? Luckily he stayed on his own continent, but what if a sick person gets into a plane to a different continent?

the idea of it spreading gives me the creeps, can't we just block all forms of travel out of Africa? And maybe just shoot on sight whenever a person or means of transport tries to leave Africa? You know just to be sure?

In Africa? Yes, probably. In those three countries, possibly not. Ebola, believe it or not, once it's known, does a fairly good job containing itself, it's deadly enough. If a case were to get to Europe or America(North or South), it wouldn't be outrageously bad because people will actually do what the doctor says, and the investigative apparatus for figuring out who has been in contact with the infected is better than Africa.

[Mayer]

Why is "black people" the first thing that popped in your mind when I mention Africa? Are you THAT obsessed by race?

Some people deliberately try to find preposterous exuses for calling someone a racist, it's like they don't have anything better to do

[Denny Crane!]

The problem is if it mutates to a form with a longer incubation period, and becomes airborne.

Theoretically possible just like I could theoretically build a skyscraper out of oranges.

Unless you can find me a single (ONE SINGLE) instance of a blood or fluid based virus transforming into a respiratory one as a route for transmission.

Just one that is all.

Edit: http://www.columbia.edu/cu/21stC/issue-1.2/Ebola.htm

So 1 sexy looking girl infected could infect half a dance club? Those in turn could then infect their relatives and friends? The French great by exchanging a kiss, even amongst males....

Just saying, there are ways in which an infection could spread

So your likely scenario is first an orgy of unprotected sex followed by everyone going home to also have sex or cough blood into their relatives faces.

Some people deliberately try to find preposterous exuses for calling someone a racist, it's like they don't have anything better to do

Probably the shed load of ignorance in this thread people assume anything is possible.

[Symphony]

So your likely scenario is first an orgy of unprotected sex followed by everyone going home to also have sex or cough blood into their relatives faces.

I'm clearly going to the wrong damn clubs....

[conon394]

Theoretically possible just like I could theoretically build a skyscraper out of oranges.

Unless you can find me a single (ONE SINGLE) instance of a blood or fluid based virus transforming into a respiratory one as a route for transmission.

Just one that is all.

Edit: http://www.columbia.edu/cu/21stC/issue-1.2/Ebola.htm





So your likely scenario is first an orgy of unprotected sex followed by everyone going home to also have sex or cough blood into their relatives faces.



Probably the shed load of ignorance in this thread people assume anything is possible.

I agree the scare scenario is unlikely.

The real issue here is if Ebola becomes endemic in West Africa which have a harsh toll on the whole region both in actual illness but also in a persistent drain on medical resources and the fear a something with a 60-90% mortality rate can create.

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However i heard US researchers had success in testing a vaccin.

Only in limited development and still only in chimps and the best one still is time sensitive its a treatment not a vaccine