HELP PLEASE: Changing Athens and Sparta to Satraps

[MisterClever]

HI Guys,

I have been searching around the net and no luck on how to make sparta and athens satraps. Can anyone direct me as how to do this? As it stands right now with the at game start war with Epirus. Epirus is wiped out by Sparta, and Macedon gets destroyed by Athens. Surely I am not the only one that is fed up with this nonsense. The patch notes about 0.95d sound amazing.

My personal taste is to have a slower game with building, and slower expansion and enjoy the campaign map part of the game. Seeing as how DEI has been optimized with 4tpy in mind, I think that's fair to expect a slower game. I also use Dresden's 4tpy cost mod to align the calendar and build/cost/tech times and its great.

Personally, I think the big empires should slowly expand into their historical areas. Minor factions should be stubborn roadblocks that may sometimes confederate and prove to be tough.

For example, playing as Rome today I should have been be able to contend with all three Cisalpine tribes when its time to expand north, not some freaky Insubres or Massalian Empire, Suebi conquering all of France and Germany, Ptolemaic Kingdom crashing into Carthage etc. This is all by year 260. I have modded the behaviours towards each other and it sometimes keeps those small factions from being wiped out.

A lot of the early game blitzing is starting politics causing friction, and wars of annihilation. I have toned all the faction's aggression in the cai_personalities file myself, but I'm guessing it's going to take extensive startpos modding to clean up a lot of the wars and death at game start. I know this is left overs from vanilla.

[Dangerman]

Personally I think 4TPY can't historically flow well because the Grand map is optimized for 1TPY though if CA does release tools to revamp the campaign map I would be certain that there could be a community-wide effort to create an overhauled Grand map that is size wise larger but geographically covers the same area as Rome 2 (think Caesar in Gaul or Hannibal at the Gates expanded size wise not sure if that would be possible but freaking awesome if so).

Though personally since this mod has reforms long research times are pointless and I just want to get the Tier IV training fields and change the files for 1 turn research :p.

[MisterClever]

Yeah I agree. Maybe decreasing map land movement ranges and giving those bonuses as something to unlock through technology instead, to prevent lightning campaigns at game start?

I would by a DLC that added a fully fleshed out map much like the provinces we get in HatG or CiG. Or they could release a map editor and charge us for it to make SEGA happy...? lol Anyhow.

Another case for slower game expansion is that the AI cannot handle itself when it comes to multiple fronts. It can move in and wipe out a faction, leaving its other provinces ripe for sudden opportunity strikes, and with the movement ranges as they are, another minor faction can swoop in and suddenly balloon to a large size. I have found that with less aggressive AI, factions are allowed to build up some nice armies with the AI composition files in DEI.

I realize a lot of these requests are 1.0 and later related where its about tweaks and polish, but since we are getting close to a 1.0 release, let's start the chatter now

P.S. Anyone know how to alter the startpos to make Sparta and Athens satraps instead? Dresden?

[mephhhh]

well on the bright side, either seleukeia or ptolemys will always be a threat because one or the other usually get pretty big.

suebi or gallic confederation usually get big.

so you just need to conquer one side of the map, there will usually be one big faction waiting for you with loving arms.

[Dresden]

First, you would have to change the greeks from client state to satrapy in the db files. diplomacy_action_subculture_restrictions (in DeI we already have the greeks there, for the confederation option).

In the startpos, you will have to go into each faction and find the Diplomacy Manager Array. Under that are all the factions listed by faction ID (which you can find in their main FACTION ARRAY entry). Changing the values there will change the relationship. I think it is master and vassal, but it's been awhile since I checked. If you look at Seleucid's relationships with its vassals you will see the proper setting. You then have to go add the factions to one of the bottom rows in the Master's (Macedon) entry. I can't remember the row number, but if you look under Seleucid Faction Array you will see where their satrapies are listed.

I did a tutorial a very long time ago about this http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...lomatic-status

[MisterClever]

Thank you very much Dresden!