U.S. embassy in Libya evacuated amid growing violence

[nhinhonhinho]

embassy in strife-torn Libya was evacuated early Saturday, under cover of American warplanes and spy aircraft, according to the State Department and Pentagon.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/w...ated/13195671/

Oh my goodness! The HOLY CRUSADER KNIGHTS OF DEMOCRACY decided to run away, leaving behind their enclave and the recently liberated region!!! How can it happen!? Lybian skirmishers was too much for US army (Lybian skirmishers aren't that awesome to me)!? Or USA are using the good old TW tactic: let the settlement rebel then come back with full stack and sack it for money and order!?

Why don't bring in some Marine to beat the hell out of those 'undemocracy' rebels or better sent in some B52 and bomb them in the same manner of Israel!?

Anyway where're the Italian ? They're suppose to be in Lybia!

[Mayer]

"...the Nato powers that overthrew him (Gaddafi) – and by some accounts gave the orders to kill him – did not do so because he was a tyrannical ruler. It was rather because he pursued a quirkily nationalist policy backed by a great deal of money which was at odds with western policies in the Middle East. It is absurd to imagine that if the real objective of the war was to replace Gaddafi with a secular democracy that the West's regional allies in the conflict should be theocratic absolute monarchies in Saudi Arabia and the Gulf. This is equally true of Western and Saudi intervention in Syria which has the supposed intention of replacing President Bashar al-Assad with a freely elected government that will establish the rule of law.
Libya is imploding. Its oil exports have fallen from 1.4 million barrels a day in 2011 to 235,000 barrels a day. Militias hold 8,000 people in prisons, many of whom say they have been tortured. Some 40,000 people from the town of Tawergha south of Misrata were driven from their homes which have been destroyed. "The longer Libyan authorities tolerate the militias acting with impunity, the more entrenched they become, and the less willing to step down" said Sarah Leah Whitson, Middle East and North Africa director at Human Rights Watch. "Putting off repeated deadlines to disarm and disband militias only prolongs the havoc they are creating throughout the country."
Unfortunately, the militias are getting stronger not weaker. Libya is a land of regional, tribal, ethnic warlords who are often simply well-armed racketeers exploiting their power and the absence of an adequate police force. Nobody is safe: the head of Libya's military police was assassinated in Benghazi in October while Libya's first post-Gaddafi prosecutor general was shot dead in Derna on 8 February...
Western and regional governments share responsibility for much that has happened in Libya, but so too should the media. The Libyan uprising was reported as a simple-minded clash between good and evil. Gaddafi and his regime were demonised and his opponents treated with a naïve lack of scepticism and enquiry. The foreign media have dealt with the subsequent collapse of the Libyan state since 2011 mostly by ignoring it, though politicians have stopped referring to Libya as an exemplar of successful foreign intervention."
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/...e-9194697.html

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[Papay]

Obama did not wanted to overthrow Qaddafi. Qaddafi had abandoned many of his more radical policies and at the time of the bombings he was just another pro western dictator. It was that idiot Sarcozy that pressed NATO to overthrow him. Probably not for a specific reason other than to gain popular support in France

[Lord of Nihilism]

The Americans actually thought it would be safe to open an embassy in Libya, despite the fact that the militia units that toppled the previous Libyan Government had no intention of disbanding? Libya has been in ruins ever since Gadaffi was toppled so the citizens(People who Joined the rebels during the Libyan War) who made this happen won't get any sympathy from me. Libya is going to join the ranks of "failed nations" and they're going to retain that status for a very long time, or perhaps forever.

[Gaidin]

The Americans actually thought it would be safe to open an embassy in Libya, despite the fact that the militia units that toppled the previous Libyan Government had no intention of disbanding? Libya has been in ruins ever since Gadaffi was toppled so the citizens(People who Joined the rebels during the Libyan War) who made this happen won't get any sympathy from me. Libya is going to join the ranks of "failed nations" and they're going to retain that status for a very long time, or perhaps forever.

The US Embassy was formed on February 7, 1952. A long time before Gadaffi. I'm just saying.

[Farnan]

The Americans actually thought it would be safe to open an embassy in Libya, despite the fact that the militia units that toppled the previous Libyan Government had no intention of disbanding? Libya has been in ruins ever since Gadaffi was toppled so the citizens(People who Joined the rebels during the Libyan War) who made this happen won't get any sympathy from me. Libya is going to join the ranks of "failed nations" and they're going to retain that status for a very long time, or perhaps forever.

France and Canada also have embassies in Libya.

And the US was a reluctant partner in Libya, we joined to support our NATO allies.

[hellheaven1987]

And the US was a reluctant partner in Libya, we joined to support our NATO allies.

But your NATO allies despised your Iraqi War.

[Roma_Victrix]

It's pretty obvious that the White House didn't want to have another "Benghazi" incident to worry about, which only adds political fodder for the talking points of Republicans in the run-up to the next round of elections. This was a wise decision on Obama's part if anything. Our diplomats' lives are worth more than trying to save face and keep them in a hostile environment for the sake of appearances.

[Denny Crane!]

Amazing how the anti american fanatics forgot that America were not the ones crusading in Libya, they were very reluctant partners in a European led intervention.

[alhoon]

Amazing how the anti american fanatics forgot that America were not the ones crusading in Libya, they were very reluctant partners in a European led intervention.

True.
And Europeans couldn't leave fast enough after Gaddafi was dead. To our defense, we weren't there to solve Libya's problems! We were there to stop Gaddafi from killing everyone in Benghazi. In the first year of the uprising, more civilians were killed in Libya than Syria; The situation there was worse than in Syria.
But Europeans didn't stay to stabilize the situation. We already were disgruntled with the cost of our involvement in the war that we thought would be over sooner/cheaper.

[Flavius Julius Nepos Augustus]

So our fantastic western diplomacy managed to make a Somalia in the Mediterranean Sea (which I was swimming in some hours ago)

[Mayer]

Amazing how the anti american fanatics forgot that America were not the ones crusading in Libya, they were very reluctant partners in a European led intervention.

Germany refused to partake in this 'intervention' altogether.

wheras the United States deployed a naval force of 11 ships, including the amphibious assault ship USS Kearsarge, the amphibious transport dock USS Ponce, the guided-missile destroyers USS Barry and USS Stout, the nuclear attack submarines USS Providence and USS Scranton, the cruise missile submarine USS Florida and the amphibious command ship USS Mount Whitney. Additionally, A-10 ground-attack aircraft, B-2 stealth bombers, AV-8B Harrier II jump-jets, EA-18G Growler electronic warfare aircraft, and both F-15E and F-16 fighters were involved in action over Libya.U-2 reconnaissance aircraft were stationed on Cyprus. On 18 March, two AC-130Us arrived at RAF Mildenhall as well as additional tanker aircraft.On 24 March 2 E-8Cs operated from Naval Station Rota Spain, which indicated an increase of ground attacks. An undisclosed number of CIA operatives were said to be in Libya to gather intelligence for airstrikes and make contacts with rebels. The US also used MQ-1 Predator UAVs to strike targets in Libya on 23 April.

[Gaidin]

Germany refused to partake in this 'intervention' altogether.

wheras the United States deployed a naval force of 11 ships, including the amphibious assault ship USS Kearsarge, the amphibious transport dock USS Ponce, the guided-missile destroyers USS Barry and USS Stout, the nuclear attack submarines USS Providence and USS Scranton, the cruise missile submarine USS Florida and the amphibious command ship USS Mount Whitney. Additionally, A-10 ground-attack aircraft, B-2 stealth bombers, AV-8B Harrier II jump-jets, EA-18G Growler electronic warfare aircraft, and both F-15E and F-16 fighters were involved in action over Libya.U-2 reconnaissance aircraft were stationed on Cyprus. On 18 March, two AC-130Us arrived at RAF Mildenhall as well as additional tanker aircraft.On 24 March 2 E-8Cs operated from Naval Station Rota Spain, which indicated an increase of ground attacks. An undisclosed number of CIA operatives were said to be in Libya to gather intelligence for airstrikes and make contacts with rebels. The US also used MQ-1 Predator UAVs to strike targets in Libya on 23 April.

Are you now saying NATO should be slaves to the US and we shouldn't do a damn thing when called on by NATO allies?

Yea. That'll go over well.

[Symphony]

Germany refused to partake in this 'intervention' altogether.

Indeed.

Weren't the Germans one of the nations that were horribly angry at the US for taking "unilateral" action against Iraq? Wouldn't that mean the Germans are acting just as unilaterally here?

...wouldn't this suggest that the much-ballyhooed "loss of American influence during the Bush administration" was mostly just a partisan play?

[Farnan]

The US participated in order to avoid the argument that NATO only supports US interests and to prove we'd help our allies.

[Mayer]

which ally was under attack by Libya?

[Farnan]

which ally was under attack by Libya?

When did I say one was?

[Tiberios]

Who said anything about any NATO member being attacked?

[Condottiere 40K]

The Italians: Gaddafi was letting through too many boat people.

[Mayer]

Who said anything about any NATO member being attacked?

I very much think that the violation of an ally territory, property or threat to its citizens by a third party is a necessary precondition for helping him out. Otherwise it's merely support for aggression, with the same logic i could also say that Stalin helped Hitler out by invading the east of poland.

Are you now saying NATO should be slaves to the US and we shouldn't do a damn thing when called on by NATO allies?

>implying this isn't already the case
Nato is a tool of aggression for US interests