Execution in Arizona taking 2 hours + bans on exports used in executions by EU

[alhoon]

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-28457460

"The execution should have taken 10 minutes, his lawyers said, but Wood, 55, gasped more than 600 times before he died."
He was convinced in 1989. That's 25 years in death-row followed by 2 hours of painful dying. Yes, he was a bad person (2 homicides), but he did those 25 years ago. He was killed, because killing is assumed to be so bad that you need to be killed for it.
In any case, I'm not 100% against death penalty (but I'm mostly against it). It would be hypocritical of me, because if those 2 people he killed was my sister and my dad, I would want him dead too. But 2 hours of painful death is too much.


In any case.

"In 2010, [ ... ] States switched to pentobarbital, also a sedative, but its Danish manufacturer Lundbeck began tightly restricting its distribution to prevent it being used in executions.
And in 2011, the UK imposed export bans on three common lethal injection drugs, pentobarbital, pancuronium bromide and potassium chloride. In the same year, the EU restricted the distribution of sodium thiopental to nations that practice capital punishment."

Good to know that the EU bans the use of drugs for the use in barbaric retribution.


As for the anonymity of the manufacturers:
Yes, protection from retribution is one thing but I believe it's being used as an excuse for something much more the manufacturers want to avoid:
People with signs "death factory!" protesting outside the door, and the bad press.

However, as I would want to know of (and avoid products of) the green cross if I was in Asia, because they employed Japanese war criminals I believe USA should give out the names of the companies that create these drugs so that people would have the choice to stay away from them.

[hellheaven1987]

Good to know that the EU bans the use of drugs for the use in barbaric retribution.

Implying there is a difference between executing using poison and executing by physical force (my home country performs execution by shooting); so what is next hippie Europeans, banning military equipments all together?

[Menelik_I]

Implying there is a difference between executing using poison and executing by physical force (my home country performs execution by shooting); so what is next hippie Europeans, banning military equipments all together?

I say execution by firing squad should be used. You killing someone, there isn't a nice clean way to do it.

[Gaidin]

I say execution by firing squad should be used. You killing someone, there isn't a nice clean way to do it.

Bull. Hypobaric chamber. Cleanest way to do it.

[Menelik_I]

Bull. Hypobaric chamber. Cleanest way to do it.

Its the closest we can get to "Throw him out the airlock" ... So it gets my vote.

[Gaidin]

Its the closest we can get to "Throw him out the airlock" ... So it gets my vote.

Hell, rapid pressure differential there would make him practically explode. Mine puts him to sleep.

[AqD]

Implying there is a difference between executing using poison and executing by physical force (my home country performs execution by shooting); so what is next hippie Europeans, banning military equipments all together?

They could still do execution by hanging, stoning or burning. Saves lot of money and importation troubles.

[Diocle]

Implying there is a difference between executing using poison and executing by physical force (my home country performs execution by shooting); so what is next hippie Europeans, banning military equipments all together?

I would prefer being shot, rather than being crucified to a bed and then being f...... poisoned by a bunch of sadist bastards, it's a disgusting way to kill people, really disgusting!

[MathiasOfAthens]

Implying there is a difference between executing using poison and executing by physical force (my home country performs execution by shooting); so what is next hippie Europeans, banning military equipments all together?

European soldiers (Germany, Norway, UK, Sweden, France, Danmark) have some of the best trained soldiers in Europe and most of those countries were in Afghanistan. Europeans are not hippies. I think you have a huge misconception on Europeans.

[Admiral Piett]

So what? EU ban on the export of those drugs does nothing to prevent the death penalty.

Honestly, we should use the Soviet method of a single shot in the head as the best means of execution. Heart still beating? Two more shots. Execution over in 30 seconds max.

Btw, the guy was not conscious during his death rattle.

[chilon]

So what? EU ban on the export of those drugs does nothing to prevent the death penalty.

Honestly, we should use the Soviet method of a single shot in the head as the best means of execution. Heart still beating? Two more shots. Execution over in 30 seconds max.

Btw, the guy was not conscious during his death rattle.

Just go back to using the Guiilotine.

Split second and its over XD

[Admiral Piett]

Just go back to using the Guiilotine.

Split second and its over XD

True. I just think I'd rather be shot in the head quickly from behind than stare at that blade and weasel my head into that little block. Dunno, just seems a bit more dignity for some reason.

[chilon]

True. I just think I'd rather be shot in the head quickly from behind than stare at that blade and weasel my head into that little block. Dunno, just seems a bit more dignity for some reason.

At least the guillotine doesn't miss though. Imagine how much it would suck if the guy missed you first and just hit your shoulder first ya know?

[Admiral Piett]

At least the guillotine doesn't miss though. Imagine how much it would suck if the guy missed you first and just hit your shoulder first ya know?

Well if we are talking Soviet style, it was up close and personal behind the right ear.

[Gaidin]

True. I just think I'd rather be shot in the head quickly from behind than stare at that blade and weasel my head into that little block. Dunno, just seems a bit more dignity for some reason.

It's not about making you feel better though. It's about making the watchers feel better.

[Mangalore]

I asked that in a similar thread before without getting a satisfactory answer. I'm against capital punishment as a bad example of how a society overall should treat its worst citizens but why does the US have such problems at doing it when you have veterinaries putting down everything from cats to cows without much hassle? An adult human seems to be right in the weight range these guys deal with every day.

Heck, a morphin drip can do the same and is apparently peaceful enough for assisted suicide.

Maybe I should not give these US states ideas though...

[alhoon]

More or less we mostly did.
The Dutch have practically no army, the Norwegians can't follow a Russian ship despite their NATO obligations etc.

Also, I'm not implying: I'm saying that execution is barbaric. Especially 2-hour long executions.

So what? EU ban on the export of those drugs does nothing to prevent the death penalty.

No, but it shows that we take steps against things we stand against, even if it's the USA overlords that do them.
And of course, provides me with the trollortunity to say "In the civilized world, we ban exports of drugs that are being used in antiquated forms of barbaric punishment still used in some parts of the world." etc

Honestly, we should use the Soviet method of a single shot in the head as the best means of execution. Heart still beating? Two more shots. Execution over in 30 seconds max.

Btw, the guy was not conscious during his death rattle.

I kinda believe that system is the best too, BUT... I believe it's the worse on the executioner. You shoot someone on the head, point blank. No "I hope I didn't press the right button" or something to hang by. You blow someone's brains out.
Of course... they could give the job to family members. As I've said in the OP, while I'm mostly against executions, if that guy has killed my sister and dad, I don't think I'd be against shooting him in the head.

Also: Where did you see he wasn't conscious? Also "not conscious" means he wasn't in any pain? Perhaps he was feeling pain.

[hellheaven1987]

The Dutch have no army

Yes, that is why Dutch can only use words to attack Russian, very effectively indeed.

[Admiral Piett]

Also: Where did you see he wasn't conscious? Also "not conscious" means he wasn't in any pain? Perhaps he was feeling pain.

From my understanding of execution the prisoner is pumped a massive dose of barbituates which cause a loss of consciousness very quickly and breathing or heart failure occurs after this from two other drugs. Here in Texas, often times its just a single large dose of the barbituate to save cost. Cause of death usually respiratory failure after the loss of consciousness. Not sure on the method used by Arizona.

[alhoon]

Well, they do have a token army, but I think they sold out all their main battle tanks. More or less they have a token peacekeeping force.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Netherlands_Army