ummm what's the update for?

[RubiconDecision]

Again, well done. What you're doing is being a valuable member of the community especially documenting what you found.

It may be that your post count is still too low to edit your posts, but it will turn on and be in the lower right corner and leftmost of the choices, and that will keep you from double posting.

[irishron]

He should be able to edit but I'll merge them. Valuable info for all. thank you.

[capablecenturion]

He should be able to edit but I'll merge them. Valuable info for all. thank you.

Anytime. And I am able to edit, but I only get a box to fill in the 'reason' as to why I am editing; I can't actually write anything I want to change, it shows up as sort of an enormous, blank space where there should be text written. Perhaps It's just me, no sense changing topics further

[Gigantus]

That empty space stuff happens if you try to copy tables, eg spreadsheet data or other listings.

[capablecenturion]

That empty space stuff happens if you try to copy tables, eg spreadsheet data or other listings.

In my case it just happens whenever I click 'edit'...not to mention 'Go Advanced' doesn't work either, when I click it, nothing happens.

[Gigantus]

Then it could be a browser problem - you may need to refresh your cache. Don't think a simple F5 pressing will do the job. Irish might know more - best to open a thread in the technical workshop about it instead of discussing it here.

[capablecenturion]

Downloading a 9.2mb update for RTW - none for med2 so far. Anyone else?

[Stívarðr Reynitré]

Downloading a 9.2mb update for RTW - none for med2 so far. Anyone else?

Keep us posted...

[capablecenturion]

Keep us posted...

Alright..?

There is no official topic on the steam community about the 9.2 RTW1 patch (sorry if this seems off-topic), but there is an unofficial topic there, and I'd say most Steam players with M2TW issues also are having RTW1 issues. Here's the link.

Regarding the Steam issues on M2TW, all we know is that a patch is coming based upon the official topic for that problem. There have been less and less posts by the Steam contact as the same old problems keep showing up everywhere due to the corrupted patch. I think people are really frustrated as they try to play the basic game and it doesn't work correctly in battles. That official link is here.

In all honesty, the best solutions for playing the game after the Steam patch, as well as solutions for playing mods, has all been in this topic at the TWCenter, with remarkably inadequate information at the Steam Community site and at the official Total War site. Which is disheartening, and a bit inexplicable, and frankly bad business.

Yes, you're right. There's no way to rely on Steam or anyone else anymore -- this bad business stuff may not be due to the owners though... many people I've encountered seemed to point fingers at people who are sitting at ''bigger desks'', per say. Perhaps they're right, or maybe you're right, and they're all just d-bags humping money off of people because ''they can''. Regardless, I think these new updates, which by this point are most certainly inevitable, will fix things eventually. Looking at their handiwork with Rome 2 (I wouldn't actually personally know because I didn't buy it -- but again, heard some rumors and some 'factoids'), you can only assume the worst, but even then there are mods for Rome 2 that fix things without devs' help. I think it's fair to just wait it out and see what happens.

Maybe if the community isn't at its best right now, it will grow to become more 'productive', rather than just informative. But for the time being, let's all just focus on tackling their next attempt at an 'update'

[capablecenturion]

Yet another double post by me! This time I think it's a bit important, though.

I've done more 'research' towards some of the bugs and I've decided to try my other mod named Renaissance Total War. I've managed to get the mod working using the option of using Steam's non-steam game shortcut. It's worked well, except for one thing: TEXT

I've seen the link posted by Irishron (thank you for that) earlier which covered another man's problem regarding text; his particular problem was a description used for a building within building browser being written ''literally'' (meaning code shows up as actual code, not what the code is supposed to show).

I did not have this exact problem. However, I did find the issue with text to be a tad different -- in particular, it deals with the labeling of buttons, units, some features of building queue as well as units.There are likely countless others I probably have missed (I could of found more, but I feel the 'gist' should be generally found very easily), and even other things which I did not see. I didn't bother with finding them because, by apparent accident, I have discovered the problem.

The Steam Launcher played a very important part in launching mods. It's undeniable -- Most (apparently, from what I've read so far from a lot of posts) people did not have the need (or cared enough to) to replace it with a custom one made by a Steam User who had suffered the same fate.
Link (Most 'recent', albeit it says beta, it work(ed)s like a charm.)

If you had used this as a replacement, and have launched a Kingdoms mod (my experience), or had just double-clicked it simply to launch a mod through it, you may be in luck, because this is what fixes my described problem.

Somehow, if I launched Renaissance through Steam shortcut, the problem persisted with no apparent fix (I was thinking of simply refreshing all the text files in text folder by regenerating them, but I hadn't done it because I feel the launcher is more comfortable to use.)

Here are the screenshots I took to compare the two instances; note that this is the EXACT same mod, with EXACT same settings, only difference is the launcher vs non-steam game circumstance.

Non-Steam (Problem)

Mouseover Settlement: http://cloud-4.steampowered.com/ugc/...0BFE174367038/

Mouseover Army: http://cloud-4.steampowered.com/ugc/...2A159822B613C/

Mouseover Unit (Also notice the missing text for buttons -- why?): http://cloud-4.steampowered.com/ugc/...FE7F3DADB6FD6/

Mouseover Building Browser: http://cloud-4.steampowered.com/ugc/...D96A86486EF25/

Mouseover Unit Browser: http://cloud-4.steampowered.com/ugc/...4345E41038E3D/

Launcher (Fixed)

Mouseover Settlement: http://cloud-4.steampowered.com/ugc/...0C737CF85CE84/

Mouseover Army: http://cloud-4.steampowered.com/ugc/...CD1101A653354/

Mouseover Unit(Button text has returned -- 'wait' seems to have taken a break ): http://cloud-2.steampowered.com/ugc/...5B716F5D47AAD/

Mouseover Building Browser: http://cloud-4.steampowered.com/ugc/...006BF5854556D/

Mouseover Unit Browser: http://cloud-4.steampowered.com/ugc/...84774D17558DE/

That's all. I apologize for all these screenshots, probably a pain, but a necessary evil I think.

Conclusion is: the launcher still has use to it -- some people may have already said that earlier, but at least I can safely confirm it.

If you experience text issues, you should really try to get the launcher the guy has released, it may help you (Link). Plus, it's really cool! I think anyone would take it over that old trash heap CA (or Steam?) dared call a launcher. It's safe, legal, and no loss should come to or from it. I don't believe the launcher should be a problem to use (it's a simple double-click as far as I can tell, at least in my case anyway) and I believe that this will put aside the idiotism that broke out from our ever-benevolent devs, to some degree, to rest.

Oh and on the contrary note, I did actually refresh one text file from the text folder, and it worked successfully (I think so anyway). Just throwing that out there to anyone that may doubt it like I did -- apparently CA didn't break everything yet.

[RubiconDecision]

There is no official topic on the steam community about the 9.2 RTW1 patch (sorry if this seems off-topic), but there is an unofficial topic there, and I'd say most Steam players with M2TW issues also are having RTW1 issues. Here's the link.

Regarding the Steam issues on M2TW, all we know is that a patch is coming based upon the official topic for that problem. There have been less and less posts by the Steam contact as the same old problems keep showing up everywhere due to the corrupted patch. I think people are really frustrated as they try to play the basic game and it doesn't work correctly in battles. That official link is here.

In all honesty, the best solutions for playing the game after the Steam patch, as well as solutions for playing mods, has all been in this topic at the TWCenter, with remarkably inadequate information at the Steam Community site and at the official Total War site. Which is disheartening, and a bit inexplicable, and frankly bad business.

[irishron]

http://forums.totalwar.com/showthrea...=1#post1166800 The whole thread is worth a read.

[Rick]

I agree. That is, or WAS, the main selling point. Steam has ruined, RUINED, M2TW for everyone.

Obviously, from what we've just experienced, I am now convinced that the Steam techs are the most incompetent ning-come-poops (I really mean s) in the world. There are other games out there, some (MOST) better than anything Steam sells or mismanages.

So friends, do I sound pissed at Steam for what they've done? You GD right I'm pissed. Steam has lost a customer.

[RubiconDecision]

CA to their credit, and this is a bit mystifying, decided they should be kind and ensure the MP still worked. But that's at odds with them selling M2TW, right? Can we get confirmation on that please? If that's true, then I don't get that they can do that. If it's not, then I get that they can, and that they should release a patch to please the customer base who might buy Rome 2, but should they force a patch? That last part is not right.

What's also not right is failure to make amends. When a company makes a mistake, and they don't own up to it right away, and they dramatically slow down their communication with terse answers like, "We're working on a new patch....", then this is kind of insulting. Can I get an Amen? Steam/CA actually had a roll out for it on the Steam community and TotalWar.com with a "How do you like the new update?" because they "thought" that we'd be gushing and pleased. They were not aware at all of the issues, and it took days for players to boot it up and see many problems, and at first only the tiniest mention of potential sound issues came out from their official posts.

Think about it this way: if a company releases something and they don't know the issues, and the players write and document the issues, those players are not whiny. Those players just saved the company a lot of money because that takes a lot of effort to beta test. Heck, offering a little free credit on Steam for DLC packs would be a simple and cheap way of saying thanks. It also would encourage new folks to report them.

Meanwhile I would LOVE for CA to realize that there was something special about M2TW as we're all still playing with it and it's ANCIENT. 2004 for M2TW and 2007 for Kingdoms. So if we're still playing fanatically and modding it, wouldn't most people pay $20 for DLC units? Or $20 for new castles/cities? Or $20 for 4 new campaigns? Or $20 for a Dymaxion map as that allows for world travel and no more edges of the map with a standard map. They could clean up with these ancillary income streams. They have a ready market right here and they're missing the boat. Heck, I'd buy it all at once.

[RubiconDecision]

It's good you did the pics and the confirmation of the alternative launcher solution. It's one of four possible solutions detailed here that allow the mods to work again. Yes, there was an initial alternative launcher release and then a beta ugrade to that launcher. If you use the alternative launcher, then Squid's tool can still be used to configure the launcher. So then doing it in this manner then results in a similar method for launching mods that people are used to.

But does it fix all of the problems in battles, and does it fix sound, or does it fix the shading? Because I think you're saying it fixes the "text" only.

[capablecenturion]

It's good you did the pics and the confirmation of the alternative launcher solution. It's one of four possible solutions detailed here that allow the mods to work again. Yes, there was an initial alternative launcher release and then a beta ugrade to that launcher. If you use the alternative launcher, then Squid's tool can still be used to configure the launcher. So then doing it in this manner then results in a similar method for launching mods that people are used to.

But does it fix all of the problems in battles, and does it fix sound, or does it fix the shading? Because I think you're saying it fixes the "text" only.

Unfortunately, yes. This does fix only the text issue (as far as I know -- I have a feeling it can vary differently based on folder setup for each person's preference, etc..) and the reason is unknown to me. The sound is likely a matter which benefits from within core files or hard codes or whatever they're called by the cool kids. The shader, as detailed before, is just as baffling as the reason to why this WORKED for me to begin with. I just simply don't know.

I believe the shader problem is derrived from kingdoms overall -- since the standard .exe has been merged with kingdoms, the shader problem persists from kingdoms. From my previous post, the shader benefitted well and had no issues on my mod due to it being a RETROFIT folder (which is a kingdoms-based folder, correct?)

However, I had forgotten to mention that yes, the shader issue gone away from Renaissance Total War for me (using both the non-steam shortcut and the launcher ways), and I simply can't tell you why. I have no clue. It's baffling as well because in technicality, Renaissance IS NOT a kingdoms mod.

In the post previously discovered by irishron, the last comment tells that the problem is with lightmaps (or something similar, I'm not smart ), and that it has been recognized by CA. So perhaps the patch you've mentioned previously will be inevitably focused on both the issue of sound and the shader.

Also thank you for pointing out squid's tool -- very useful to mention. I should of included it I guess

Cheers, and no fret. We'll get out of this yet!

[irishron]

I'm not going to quote your full post for this but personally I'll take a "We're working on a patch" now as a positive step versus the dead silence I am used to receiving from them.

[RubiconDecision]

I'm not going to quote your full post for this but personally I'll take a "We're working on a patch" now as a positive step versus the dead silence I am used to receiving from them.

http://steamcommunity.com/app/4700/d...93781577390838
"That's a known issue (by the development team). They are working on a patch for that."

Yeah, it was at the Steam Community's main Medieval Discussion site, and they have an official discussion there. One guy, he must be just like you except paid and doing tech support, and he's getting hammered with tons of the exact same question, and trying to be patient with canned forum posts, and as it grew to eighteen pages of complaints, these posts got increasing terse! I actually felt sorry for him because he has his picture in the avatar and it's the face of abject failure.

If I hear any more, I'll keep posting. I check it a couple of times a day.(Punchy as I write this. Hope it makes sense.)

Edit: New Patch Update
http://steamcommunity.com/app/4700/d...93781622507729

"ETA on the patch is in the next couple of days. Just going through final QA and sign-off."
Posted three hours ago 2:58 Eastern

EDIT2: Folks, because of the huge number of posts I've been reading to assist the community with this, I'm going to add a PM I just sent to a concerned member. Please communicate with me mostly through this topic if you want more information. That way whatever questions I answer will end up answering the question of another. Or else I'll have to start sending canned responses in order to concentrate on the Steam update. I don't want to do that. PM response follows:

"I'd say that based upon the many hundreds of posts I've read about this (literally done to help the community), that to get the vanilla Steam version of M2TW and the Kingdom campaigns to work, a complete removal of the game PLUS editing of the registry with a program like IObit's Uninstaller or ccleaner to remove the Steam and M2TW entries, was necessary to get the game to operate. [Registry values tell Steam that it and M2TW were once on your system. Unless a real installation of the game was done, and registry values removed, then Steam makes errors when reloading the new Steam version of the combined M2TW + Kingdoms exes.]

Players who attempted to 1)download the Steam patch, 2)delete local content 3) reacquire a corrupted game integrity due to a failed integrity check, all failed to get a game that wasn't hopelessly buggy.

Now, even after getting the vanilla game and the basic campaigns reloaded, then there are all of the documented issues with the new Steam version of the combined M2TW + Kingdoms.

Then on top of this, people doing four different methods for getting a mod to work.

All of which is going to be a technical troubleshooting nightmare as thousands of people have been affected.

Wait, there's more. See that update topic. Steam is supposed to release a new patch; I'd guess in the next 48 hours. So this means a lot of people might have to go through ALL of that again. Then after doing so, then STILL troubleshoot and see what bugs are there and what new bugs might have been introduced."

[Nico CA]

Hi all,

A new hotfix has been issued to address the sound issues that were experienced in MED II since the multiplayer patch.
The update should be downloaded and installed automatically from Steam. If the download is not triggered, please restart Steam.

[irishron]

Hi all,

A new hotfix has been issued to address the sound issues that were experienced in MED II since the multiplayer patch.
The update should be downloaded and installed automatically from Steam. If the download is not triggered, please restart Steam.

Thank you for the update.