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    Default [Citizenship] Brivime, Dontfearme22 and Türkenlouis for Artifex [INVALID]

    Supporters: 1.) alecwermuth 2.)... 3.)

    As alecwermuth isnt allowed yet to suggest new citizens i'll happily take over this part.
    Allow me to introduce my active and great team of non-artifex modders (yet) to you. I hope it is fine that I propose them for the Artifex here in one composed group proposal.

    Proposer's PassageDear Citizens

    I would like to propose Brivime,Dontfearme22 and Türkenlouis from the Total War: Age of Bronze Crew (Modding Platform: Rome II).

    I am patronizing these awesome folks because the team of Age of Bronze imposed me for those many reasons following below:

    - Quality: Each of them started to support me with research and highly valuable linguistic research. I don't know where AoB would be right now, but i am plenty sure that i would either have cancelled it or i would be lost somewhere in the mediterranian political chaos of that time.
    But this is just the beginning. These folks have started from scratch and learned by far most of the skills they have now just for Age of Bronze. I suppose a big motivation was that they wanted to see faster progress and be part of the project. And i was making slow process as i was alone back then, had (and still have) a full time job and was sometimes simply demotivated or wanted to do something else. So now i have a highly competent team of extremely motivated, dedicated, talented, productive and companionable comrades that are already quicker and better at modding than me.
    Mostly thanks to them AoB has a completely new timeframe, exceptional research and great work on textures, models and many more aspects of the game. My modding team is visible at any times and this is a good sign of a healthy working atmosphere.
    - Support: When i tried to teach them how to modify Rome II i soon dicovered that im not really the best teacher...maybe because of my limited language or communication skills or maybe i'm just no talented educator. Luckily they are all highly supportive! They helped and adviced themselves constanly and pushed each other to absolute peak performances.
    - Humbleness: None of them did ever ask to be honered in any extraordinary way. Even though it would be absolutely appropriate. It would just be suitable to make them at least artifexes.
    - Collaboration: Last but not least they all agreed to and encouraged collaboration on future terms and to exchange models and textures with the community if ever needed. Another sign of an awesome team agreeing to work open source even if their mod was not officially released already. This is the kind of mindset and working atmosphere every modder dreams of.

    alecwermuth put up the original proposal on this case and i fully agree with his statement about my boys:
    Even we haven't worked together just yet, all those signs are just a no brainer to leave this guys without their badge. In my eyes, the entire team is extremely skilled, supportive and even they are extremely nice and humble, they do all deserve the Artifex badge and it is a surprise they do not inhabit it already. No doubt here from my side. I think honoring their mindset is a simple gesture from ourselves and with a citizenship the AoB crew could add to the TWC community and open new doors of networking with other citizens.
    Convince yourself of our work here: Total War: Age of Bronze - Previews Thread

    Brivime's PassageI. Why I wants to be a Citizen:

    I think the whole Age of Bronze team has come far from where we started, most of us were just spectators who saw the mod in Ideas & Proposals and found small ways to help it become a reality within our talents at the time, I personally started out helping with faction research. Pretty soon most of us started taking on great heights experimenting with texture work and making units on PFM. It was a struggle for all of us at first since we had very little modding experience, I simply started out re-texturing ROME I units for my own personal use and didn't get much farther than that until I found Age of Bronze. I believe being made a citizen is a recognition of how far I have come and how far we have yet to go, likewise for the whole AOB team.

    II. How I found TWC and joined up:

    I found TWC whilst looking for Medieval II Total War mods and realized there was so much more this site had to offer, I joined up and was mostly a spectator in the ROME I modding scene, I offered input where I found it fit and started learning to mod, I edited other mods for personal use. Age of Bronze has been the first proper mod I am involved with.

    III. What activities I get up to on TWC and areas I like to post in:

    I am mostly involved with modding for ROME 2 Total War, my modding journey started with Age of Bronze and I am now also helping the Medieval Kingdoms team with their Middle Eastern factions. I focus on research for pre-Islamic and Medieval Arab civilizations, their cultures, linguistic developments and what they would have dressed and fought like.

    I'm sure there will be plenty more to do as the ROME 2 modding scene grows.

    IV. What difference I'd like to make to the site by becoming a Citizen:

    I'm still learning a lot of new things but I have come far from where I started. I would like to help out aspiring modders where ever I can so they too can get the support and much needed help I got when I was starting out. As we all know, modding isn't the easiest thing to ease into especially for some one with no prior experience. I feel like being a Citizen would give me an edge in doing this because all those fancy badges might make me look a bit more experienced than I would without 'em. ;-P


    Dontfearme22's PassageWhy do I want to become a Citizen on Twcenter?

    I would like to become a Citizen because I feel I could contribute to the great community on Twcenter by helping to discuss bills, contributing to discussions in the Symposium and Curia, or by helping other Twcenter modders achieve a high level of quality that’s beneficial to them and this website as a whole.

    Total War games have always been a part of my life, I remember chasing down Parthians in the first Rome total war, conquering provinces in Empire total war, or battling Iberians in Rome II. I found Twcenter several years ago, I was playing Rome total war extensively and I wanted to seek out other people as passionate about it as I was. After a quick google search, I visited Twcenter for the first time. I found on that day a devoted and hardworking community, a group of disparate individuals brought together by a common love of history and Total War. For a few months I was a lurker, I popped in, surfed previews of my favorite Rome total war mods or Medieval II mods and then left.
    I joined Twcenter as a member after I was surfing a Medieval II discussion, and I saw someone had a signature that said “Maya Total War”. At that time I had a deep passion for Pre-Columbian history, and I immediately visited its page in the WIP section. This mod captured my attention, and I decided to quickly get an account and help them complete their vision. Sadly, this mod died out several years ago, but it showed me that I could actually join this community and contribute to it. Now after a few years of leaving Twcenter by the wayside to focus on other subjects, I found Age of Bronze and it has captured my attention since then.

    On Twcenter, I spend my time split between answering questions and private messages about AoB, I also like to help users on the Workshop area of Rome II who are new and need help taking that first step into modding and monitoring the AoB thread. Every once in a while I detour into other mods and I see what other modders are doing. Even if I don’t own the games anymore I still like to visit the old Rome and Medieval II forums, simply to see the great things people are still accomplishing there after almost a decade.

    This is such a great community, through it I have learned how to research, how to be respectful and honest, through Twcenter I have learned not only how to become a better modder, and I would like to think I have become also a better person. I would be deeply honored if you would grant me Citizenship, and I would promise to be a upstanding and gracious member of this great community, so many other aspiring modders like me could experience the same warmth and hospitality I received all those years ago.


    Türkenlouis' Passage*I think , I dont need it.

    I `m just using TW center for posting and writing messages . and thats all what I need ^^


    *He is just a paragon of humbleness I guess haha, he did tell me that he needs one day to think about it and see what it is about and than wrote me back. I did include his message here as well, since I think he still deserves it. What do you think of his burner reply? Should we still include him or should I remove his name from this citizenship proposal?
    So let's annoy him and give him some attention. He will simply have to deal with it!
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    Default Re: [Citizenship] Brivime, Dontfearme22 and Türkenlouis for Artifex

    I don't think it's possible to do multiple citizens in one application, as a poll will need to be added and it will be difficult to have a proper vote. Also, having multiple citizens will make debating the merits of each one more complicated.

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    Default Re: [Citizenship] Brivime, Dontfearme22 and Türkenlouis for Artifex

    Yes, I agree with Jom. I also can say that the determination is big.

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    Default Re: [Citizenship] Brivime, Dontfearme22 and Türkenlouis for Artifex

    The reason for putting all of them into one app is that all of them are new / fresh modders. I spoke with some people in here and they told me its possible (not putting in names in here now). Since their modding history is all bound to each other and the work they have done is Age of Bronze, you can judge all the same way.

    If anyone things AoB is not enough for artifex than you must deny all three. If you think a total conversion modificaiton of that scope is worthy than you must say, yes. If you let pass one of them and the other not, that would be a cruelty of the highest level

    The poll should just include, yes, no, abstain like any other. I think more a matter of discussion is, if Türkenlouis stays in the application or not. Even he thinks he dont really need it, humble soul, he deserves it just as much as brivime and dontfearme22!

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    Default Re: [Citizenship] Brivime, Dontfearme22 and Türkenlouis for Artifex

    Quote Originally Posted by alecwermuth View Post
    The reason for putting all of them into one app is that all of them are new / fresh modders. I spoke with some people in here and they told me its possible (not putting in names in here now). Since their modding history is all bound to each other and the work they have done is Age of Bronze, you can judge all the same way.

    If anyone things AoB is not enough for artifex than you must deny all three. If you think a total conversion modificaiton of that scope is worthy than you must say, yes. If you let pass one of them and the other not, that would be a cruelty of the highest level

    The poll should just include, yes, no, abstain like any other. I think more a matter of discussion is, if Türkenlouis stays in the application or not. Even he thinks he dont really need it, humble soul, he deserves it just as much as brivime and dontfearme22!
    I'm afraid, you're incorrect. As I've posted when you opened the very same proposition yesterday, this is not possible. The process of patronisation is governed by the constitution (the document is stick in the Curia main, I suggest to have a look at it.).

    The procedure requires that (as Jom has pointed out) that for every applicant a new thread must be opened in the Quaestiones Perpetuae subforum. There is no such thing as group-citizenship. The merit of every candidate has to be proven, discussed and voted upon on their own. One may not like it, but that's how it is.

    I like your engagement and find your attitude commendable, but what you're arguing is unconstitutional and will not happen. The rest is for the Curator.


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    Default Re: [Citizenship] Brivime, Dontfearme22 and Türkenlouis for Artifex

    Ok, my apologies for misunderstanding. I just see an awesome team which I was so surprised that they have no badge yet and wanted to do too much while still being too young here. So let's split all of them into one or add a poll with multiple answers possible, isn't it? Again my apologies.

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    Default Re: [Citizenship] Brivime, Dontfearme22 and Türkenlouis for Artifex

    It's alright, you're new and we're here to help

    What the patron needs to do is, to go to the Quaestiones Perpetuae subforum. There he posts one thread for each member he wants to patronise, in this case three. And all will be fine with regards to procedure.


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    Default Re: [Citizenship] Brivime, Dontfearme22 and Türkenlouis for Artifex

    My bad alec, I didn't think there would be a problem with this if they all had their own paragraph, didn't think that through.

    If you want I can split this thread into the 3 and move it into the right forum, alternately you can just wait for PunitorMax if he is happy creating the new threads in the QP.
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    Default Re: [Citizenship] Brivime, Dontfearme22 and Türkenlouis for Artifex

    Quote Originally Posted by Shankbot de Bodemloze View Post
    My bad alec, I didn't think there would be a problem with this if they all had their own paragraph, didn't think that through.

    If you want I can split this thread into the 3 and move it into the right forum, alternately you can just wait for PunitorMax if he is happy creating the new threads in the QP.
    Don't worry, after all everything started with my inexperience Yes since Punitor is not online anymore it would be awesome if you could split this into three. So apparently I also posted the proposal into the wrong forum?? OMG. I am so bad

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    Default Re: [Citizenship] Brivime, Dontfearme22 and Türkenlouis for Artifex

    I'm afraid I'll have to wait for Punitor to say he is okay with that as it is technically his application.
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